"A Republic, if you can keep it."

Remember when the Lefties wanted to get rid of the EC?

Most rational defenders of Democracy still do.


If that had happened, and a person like Trump was President, does anyone think the process would see Trump elected by nullifying some national votes?

Huh?

How would he "nullify" any national votes? Much less the 7 million he'd need to tie Biden?

We only got Trump because of the EC. And he's only able to keep mewling about "winning" the election, because it's easier to argue to toss out 10k votes in a few different states than it is 7 million in 50 states.
 
Most rational defenders of Democracy still do.




Huh?

How would he "nullify" any national votes? Much less the 7 million he'd need to tie Biden?

We only got Trump because of the EC. And he's only able to keep mewling about "winning" the election, because it's easier to argue to toss out 10k votes in a few different states than it is 7 million in 50 states.

No worries. A lawyer would understand the ramifications of what I wrote about.
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,



It's not 50%.

That is an inflated figure.

'A prepeutal state of rage???'

I would put it at 30-35%, tops, and I suspect it is actually far fewer.

Just because people vote a certain way, and some of them are 'enraged,' doesn't mean that everyone who votes that way is similarly motivated.
:hand:
 
No, literally no one understands what you're talking about.

And it seems like YOU don't really understand the function of the EC vs. popular vote.
A lawyer would not misuse the word "literally". What's next? "Irregardless"?
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,



It's not 50%.

That is an inflated figure.

'A prepeutal state of rage???'

I would put it at 30-35%, tops, and I suspect it is actually far fewer.

Just because people vote a certain way, and some of them are 'enraged,' doesn't mean that everyone who votes that way is similarly motivated.
Agreed. Plenty of people voted for Trump because of the "R" even though he's an incompetent asshole. Similarly Democrats voted for Hillary in 2016 even though they held their noses while doing so.

A lot of voting is for the "D versus the "R", not the actual asshole who sits in the chair.
 
Agreed. Plenty of people voted for Trump because of the "R" even though he's an incompetent asshole. Similarly Democrats voted for Hillary in 2016 even though they held their noses while doing so.

A lot of voting is for the "D versus the "R", not the actual asshole who sits in the chair.

"boTh siDeS"

Hillary was a flawed candidate.

Trump is a terrible human being.

There's nothing comparable to trump on the Left.
 
A lawyer would not misuse the word "literally". What's next? "Irregardless"?

I've never used the word "irregardless", but you've used it about 15x in responses to me. I have no clue why. You're either confusing me with another poster, or confusing the words.

Either way, you're chronically confused. And when you're called on it, you resort to infantile responses. Every time. LITERALLY.

P.S. Irregardless made it into Webster's, FYI: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
 
are you aware of the history of removing the first part of state representation?

I guess I'm not. When did we do this?

are you aware of the three branches of representation afforded the country? if not, we can go over it

Yes, I am. Executive, Legislative, Judiciary. What's this got to do with your misstatements about the purpose and origins of the electoral college?
 
The founders couldn't possibly have come up with a less efficient government.
If they could have, they probably would have.
Every MODERN democracy makes us look primitive.
We call our backwardness "American Exceptionalism," but sadly ,"exceptional" isn't a positive thing the way we do it.
 
The founders couldn't possibly have come up with a less efficient government.
If they could have, they probably would have.
Every MODERN democracy makes us look primitive.
We call our backwardness "American Exceptionalism," but sadly ,"exceptional" isn't a positive thing the way we do it.

efficiency is not the point of life, or governance.

technocracy is psychopathic.
 
I guess I'm not. When did we do this?
April 8, 1913. prior to that, US Senators were selected by the state legislatures to ensure that the states had equal representation in the federal government. The 17th Amendment moved that to popular vote of the people, removing any state interests.

Yes, I am. Executive, Legislative, Judiciary. What's this got to do with your misstatements about the purpose and origins of the electoral college?
Those are the three co-equal branches of the government and not the three branches of representation. Before the 17th Amendment, the house represented the people, the Senate represented the states, and the president represented the entire country.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

I'm watching the Electoral College process on television. Trump is winning!!!!! Trump 35 to Biden's 27.

Remember when the Lefties wanted to get rid of the EC? If that had happened, and a person like Trump was President, does anyone think the process would see Trump elected by nullifying some national votes?

Yeah, and the DNC began with all the votes for Bernie.
 
April 8, 1913. prior to that, US Senators were selected by the state legislatures to ensure that the states had equal representation in the federal government. The 17th Amendment moved that to popular vote of the people, removing any state interests.

Oh that.

Uh, yes, I'm aware of that, and I wouldn't characterize it as "removing the first part of state representation."

I'd call it a move toward democracy, by allowing the citizens of states to choose who represents them in the Senate.

It's completely nonsensical to characterize popular vote as being "against the state interest", which is what you're implying here. States aren't disembodied masses. They are, quite literally, people living within borders.

Those are the three co-equal branches of the government and not the three branches of representation. Before the 17th Amendment, the house represented the people, the Senate represented the states, and the president represented the entire country.

The Senate didn't stop representing the state simply because the people in those states got to directly vote for their senators. What a totally nonsensical conclusion.



Back to the EC: It was a compromise with slaveholding states -- in concert with the 3/5ths clause -- to ensure that slaves counted toward presidential electors, even if slaves themselves couldn't vote. That's why 7 of the first 12 presidents were from Virginia, the largest state in the union (and also not coincidentally a slaveholding state).

Slaves no longer exist, and our body politic is 99% literate, so the EC's entire purpose for being has been destroyed. The ec should therefore be destroyed. It's anti-democratic, and completely contradicts your claim that the executive "represents the country".

If the country, quite loudly, expresses disapproval with a president (like they did with Bush in 2000, and Trump in 16 and 20), then that executive doesn't represent the nation. It represents a minority political faction (something the framers hated).
 
The founders couldn't possibly have come up with a less efficient government.
If they could have, they probably would have.
Every MODERN democracy makes us look primitive.
We call our backwardness "American Exceptionalism," but sadly ,"exceptional" isn't a positive thing the way we do it.


We have the oldest constitution of any democracy on earth.

And it shows. It's BADLY in need of updating, if not an entirely new constitutional convention.
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,

The founders couldn't possibly have come up with a less efficient government.
If they could have, they probably would have.
Every MODERN democracy makes us look primitive.
We call our backwardness "American Exceptionalism," but sadly ,"exceptional" isn't a positive thing the way we do it.

If our Constitution does not meet with your approval, perhaps you would like to write us a copy of what you would like to see it replaced with?

I think the founders did a rather bang-up job.

Certainly considering the pressure they were under and what they had to work with. That this nation has stood for so long is a testament to their diligence.

Our biggest failure is complacency. Apathy. We have a government which required the people manage what their government is doing. Our problem is we have far too great a portion of the populace who simply take it all for granted and assume others are doing the management for them.

Our public servants work for us. The responsibility to oversee them falls upon each and every one of us. And yet if you ask 10 people on the street to even name the three branches of government the majority can't do it.

If I had my druthers our schools would be placing far more importance on educating our young to the importance of knowing why we have a country, what our responsibility as citizens is, how to stay well-informed, how to avoid being take in by propaganda, why that's important, our history, and why it is so important to remain constantly politically engaged and vote.

How important is that stuff?

It is, like, future-of-the-nation important.

And nothing less.
 
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