"A Republic, if you can keep it."

Hello Flash,

Your quote said "entitled", not "need"

The stimulus payments were not part of any entitlement program. Nobody was entitled to those checks. They were appropriate because many were impacted greatly by the business closures and cut-backs.

It certainly helped those who needed it, but many got checks who didn't really need them at all.

I still think a better response would have entailed some planning. There was time to do that, but it was wasted by the denier who refused to tell the nation there was a problem.

The best idea was to put the economy on pause, not shut down.

Pay employers to keep their workers on the books, on the payroll, and on their health care insurance plans. Also include payments to businesses for expenses.

This way, workers didn't need to lose jobs, businesses did not need to go belly up. Planning for this could have been begun when it was apparent the pandemic was coming, but had not yet hit hard.
 
I'm honestly beginning to wonder if you have dementia, and maybe you ought not to post unsupervised? What is the purpose of this nonsense?

Anxiously awaiting your smug, non-reply.
the smug non-reply is his specialty. he's a liar and a moron.
You two are sooooo CUTE together!!!! Kudos. Now do some more. :thup:

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don't you find they generally believe in that "the constitution is outdated" horse puckey?

Who is "they"? Both the DNC and RNC are seeking to bend, shred, alter or otherwise pervert the Constitution to their own ends. Ends which are not good for you or me in the long run. Best, IMO, to not let them do it.
 
and they're mostly lawyers.

Agreed. John Adams was a fucking lawyer too. The problem isn't lawyers in Congress, but only fucking lawyers in Congress. We need more vets. Fortunately, more Iraq vets are running as Representatives, but it will take time for them to have impact.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

What those on the right aren't seeing is that "relentless capitalism" is self-defeating. It's the equivalent of Marie Antoinette's apocryphal "Let them eat cake". Regardless who has the guns, the poor outnumber the rich. If things become bad enough, they will overrun the rich like the VC overran Firebase Gloria or, as with the French Revolution, start executing the elitists for public pleasure.


The French executed elitists for public PLEASURE???

And here I thought it was because the proletariat was left with a miserable life as the powerful enjoyed all the spoils.
 
Which is another reason why I don't believe you have passed the bar. Agreed, in 2016 Hillary would have won if it was a popular vote. Is there a guarantee it wouldn't be Trump or someone like him next time? People far wiser than yourself know 1) it's not smart to fuck with the Constitution and 2) due to the Law of Unintended Consequences, it's wise to be careful what one asks for.

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've seen a boomer say (and holy shit, that's a high bar).

Guess what the 27 amendments are, fucknuts?
 
Yeah, I should stop hurting their feelings over slavery.

Seriously, do you think they all agreed about the electoral college, etc.?

Aw shit, dude! Lemme guess, you are a legal student currently volunteering (meaning no pay, class credit only) for some civil rights group, probably racially oriented. You've been "working" there for three years and still haven't passed the bar. How close am I?
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

The French executed elitists for public PLEASURE???

And here I thought it was because the proletariat was left with a miserable life as the powerful enjoyed all the spoils.

The peasants and ex-prisoners of the Bastille seemed to enjoy the executions. Who am I to disagree?

Sorry, man, but the Democrats are not the proletariat. They are elitists claiming to represent the proletariats. Teddy's speech addressed such people. You and I even traded quotes on it.

Maybe you and I aren't sharing the same definitions of certain labels or terms, but "proletariat" is just another word for peasant; a landless laborer. The entire fucking idea behind America is that all Americans become bourgeoisie. Everyone. Of course they have to earn it, but the idea is to provide the means for everyone to become American bourgeoisie.

The problem, IMHO, is that the ideal is good, but it's not working out so great for enough Americans. Sure, the lazy and stupid won't get as far as the average American, but when the average American is busting their ass to get ahead and they can't because of the elites - yeah, on both sides, then something is wrong and it needs to be fixed.

As a national security issue, it's important for the United States to be strong, but it can only be as strong as it's citizens - another point Teddy made in his speech. Therefore, as Teddy recommended, it's important that all citizens have access to bettering themselves and, regardless of results, to be treated by respect from their own government.

At present, the Democrats are playing to the legitimately poor and deprived as equally to the lazy and stupid while they, themselves, live life pretty fucking good. The Republicans, of course, are just whores with mouths for the corporations. Lately, they've moved out of the bordello and become street hookers blowing Donald J. Trump in public. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
 
Hello NiftyNiblick,



If our Constitution does not meet with your approval, perhaps you would like to write us a copy of what you would like to see it replaced with?

I think the founders did a rather bang-up job.

Certainly considering the pressure they were under and what they had to work with. That this nation has stood for so long is a testament to their diligence.

Our biggest failure is complacency. Apathy. We have a government which required the people manage what their government is doing. Our problem is we have far too great a portion of the populace who simply take it all for granted and assume others are doing the management for them.

Our public servants work for us. The responsibility to oversee them falls upon each and every one of us. And yet if you ask 10 people on the street to even name the three branches of government the majority can't do it.

If I had my druthers our schools would be placing far more importance on educating our young to the importance of knowing why we have a country, what our responsibility as citizens is, how to stay well-informed, how to avoid being take in by propaganda, why that's important, our history, and why it is so important to remain constantly politically engaged and vote.

How important is that stuff?

It is, like, future-of-the-nation important.

And nothing less.

My education is not in the law or in government, so I'm not my personal first choice to write a new constitution. I believe in academic elitism when it comes to these matters. I'm not a populist.

I don't want a new constitutional convention convened with representation from states that are ideologically incompatible... that have people who want a totally different world than one another.

PoiiTalker obviously doesn't see what I see in the extent of polarization we have now. What I see is both irreparable and not worth the effort to repair if it was.

Education problem? No doubt. We've not made a sufficient commitment to education.
But we have states who'd put things like "creationism" in the public school curriculum.
That's not OK. I'm unwilling to accept theocrats at my constitutional convention. I don't accept they're being on my planet, but I'll settle for them not being in my nation.

Apathy? We just outvoted our last general election by about twenty million votes. People came out to vote. And they voted roughly 50/50 for totally incompatible values.
Incompatibility is our problem, not apathy.
PoliTalker is willing to accept less than I am.
PoliTalker is willing to break bread with racists, xenophobes, misogynists, religious bigots, and worst of all. anti-intellectuals.
People from bright red states are not people who should be sharing a government and tax codes and borders with more refined people with more liberal values.

I went to grade school school at the height of the cold war in the 1950s.
In retrospect, the education that I received at that level was a disgrace.
We were fed incredible right wing propaganda as the congress conducted its deplorable hearings.
We were coerced into beginning the day with prayers.
I had elementary school teachers with incredibly racist ideas...in Boston, mind you, not Bald Knob, Indiana. Imagine what those kids got
And we were told that we were the most moral and at the same time powerful people in the world,
but then I got drafted to murder freedom-fighting Asians with whom I had no grievance, and guess what? We got beat.

I saw the separate water fountains and rest rooms when traveling with my parents, so at a very young age, I understood that there were places much worse than home.

Today, we call those places Red State America. They should have been the Confederate States of America but the people who were here before my people arrived really fucked up.
Look what we've got instead.
PoliTalker likes it. He feels we can work with it. He thinks that there's hope. But then again, he probably bought all that bullshit they taught him in grade school.

I think a better standard of living, top to bottom, is far more important than preserving that dream of a United States of America.
It never was what we were told that it was, and it never will be.

I'm the one not afraid to try something better.
As I keep saying, catastrophic problems are not resolved with moderate solutions.
 
My education is not in the law or in government, so I'm not my personal first choice to write a new constitution. I believe in academic elitism when it comes to these matters. I'm not a populist.

I don't want a new constitutional convention convened with representation from states that are ideologically incompatible... that have people who want a totally different world than one another.

PoiiTalker obviously doesn't see what I see in the extent of polarization we have now. What I see is both irreparable and not worth the effort to repair if it was.

Education problem? No doubt. We've not made a sufficient commitment to education.
But we have states who'd put things like "creationism" in the public school curriculum.
That's not OK. I'm unwilling to accept theocrats at my constitutional convention. I don't accept they're being on my planet, but I'll settle for them not being in my nation.

Apathy? We just outvoted our last general election by about twenty million votes. People came out to vote. And they voted roughly 50/50 for totally incompatible values.
Incompatibility is our problem, not apathy.
PoliTalker is willing to accept less than I am.
PoliTalker is willing to break bread with racists, xenophobes, misogynists, religious bigots, and worst of all. anti-intellectuals.
People from bright red states are not people who should be sharing a government and tax codes and borders with more refined people with more liberal values.

I went to grade school school at the height of the cold war in the 1950s.
In retrospect, the education that I received at that level was a disgrace.
We were fed incredible right wing propaganda as the congress conducted its deplorable hearings.
We were coerced into beginning the day with prayers.
I had elementary school teachers with incredibly racist ideas...in Boston, mind you, not Bald Knob, Indiana. Imagine what those kids got
And we were told that we were the most moral and at the same time powerful people in the world,
but then I got drafted to murder freedom-fighting Asians with whom I had no grievance, and guess what? We got beat.

I saw the separate water fountains and rest rooms when traveling with my parents, so at a very young age, I understood that there were places much worse than home.

Today, we call those places Red State America. They should have been the Confederate States of America but the people who were here before my people arrived really fucked up.
Look what we've got instead.
PoliTalker likes it. He feels we can work with it. He thinks that there's hope. But then again, he probably bought all that bullshit they taught him in grade school.

I think a better standard of living, top to bottom, is far more important than preserving that dream of a United States of America.
It never was what we were told that it was, and it never will be.

I'm the one not afraid to try something better.
As I keep saying, catastrophic problems are not resolved with moderate solutions.

spoken like a true chinese agent.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

The peasants and ex-prisoners of the Bastille seemed to enjoy the executions. Who am I to disagree?

Sorry, man, but the Democrats are not the proletariat. They are elitists claiming to represent the proletariats. Teddy's speech addressed such people. You and I even traded quotes on it.

Maybe you and I aren't sharing the same definitions of certain labels or terms, but "proletariat" is just another word for peasant; a landless laborer. The entire fucking idea behind America is that all Americans become bourgeoisie. Everyone. Of course they have to earn it, but the idea is to provide the means for everyone to become American bourgeoisie.

The problem, IMHO, is that the ideal is good, but it's not working out so great for enough Americans. Sure, the lazy and stupid won't get as far as the average American, but when the average American is busting their ass to get ahead and they can't because of the elites - yeah, on both sides, then something is wrong and it needs to be fixed.

As a national security issue, it's important for the United States to be strong, but it can only be as strong as it's citizens - another point Teddy made in his speech. Therefore, as Teddy recommended, it's important that all citizens have access to bettering themselves and, regardless of results, to be treated by respect from their own government.

At present, the Democrats are playing to the legitimately poor and deprived as equally to the lazy and stupid while they, themselves, live life pretty fucking good. The Republicans, of course, are just whores with mouths for the corporations. Lately, they've moved out of the bordello and become street hookers blowing Donald J. Trump in public. Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I'm sure we are both wrong on some points and right on others. but it's good that we can share views without making things personal. No point in that when talking about national and international issues.

Problem arises when we use a single word to describe entire political parties comprised of everything from paupers to elites.
 
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