Abortion Follies: Texas style

[Into the Night]

That's not a miscarraige.

A miscarriage would be you beating your pregnant wife because you felt like it, and that caused her to lose the baby.

It's what you people do all the time.

When did you last beat your wife? Have you killed her yet?

 

[Into the Night]

What's odd is that you would lie about yourself on an anonymous message board for no other reason than to lend yourself credibility you don't otherwise have.

You don't to decide 'credibility' for anyone. You don't get to speak for anyone but yourself. You are not the King.

 

[Into the Night]

Abortion isn't murder because according to Jewish law (Old Testament, loser), a fetus doesn't have a soul and the life of the mother is what is most important.

You don't get a soul until you're born (well, not YOU because you're soulless, but everyone else); prior to that, you don't count for anything.

No such Jewish law. Abortion is murder. Attempted proof by substitution. Pivot fallacy.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

What you provided was for when a pregnant woman is harmed, not the fetus.

no....the one I provided, "thou shall not kill" was for both......but the passage from Exodus, which someone else provided, was specifically for the unborn child........there were already provisions for what would happen if someone injured a man's wife.......

 

[LV426]

no....the one I provided, "thou shall not kill" was for both......

According to Jewish law, a fetus doesn't have a soul...only once it is born is it recognized as a life (and if it's a boy, not really until the bris).

So...are you now saying Jews are wrong and evil?

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, the choice to abort the fetus. That is her choice and her choice alone to make.

It is not her choice. Murder is not a right.

If you want to take away her bodily autonomy in order to save a life,

It is not about her autonomy. It is about murder.

then I should be able to tear a kidney out of you without your consent to save the life of someone with kidney failure. After all, you can live with just 1 kidney.

Pivot fallacy. False equivalence fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, your "very fine people" were cyber stalking and harassing her...all because she wrote a poem that you somehow took offense to.

Hallucination.

 

[Into the Night]

MAGAts, cops, and the bootlickers.

They took offense because they believe law enforcement is infallible.

Random wanderings. No coherent argument.

 

[Into the Night]

Sure it is!

You have a fantasy about police, and that poem shatters the fantasy.

Because you're highly emotional and prone to outbursts, your rage drove Foster off social media.

So because you lack self control, we are deprived of her presence.

Thanks for nothing.

Random wanderings. No coherent argument.

 

[Into the Night]

Are you adddressing me? Sorry I ignore your comments!

So you wish to remain locked in paradox. You wish to remain irrational. Bulverism fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

According to Jewish law, a fetus doesn't have a soul...only once it is born is it recognized as a life (and if it's a boy, not really until the bris).

So...are you now saying Jews are wrong and evil?

No such law. Pivot fallacy. The Bible is being discussed, not any Jewish law.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That's not a miscarraige.

A miscarriage would be you beating your pregnant wife because you felt like it, and that caused her to lose the baby.

It's what you people do all the time.

so if you beat a woman and she loses her child it is a miscarriage, but if you use a scalpel and she loses her child its nothing?.....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

so if you beat a woman and she loses her child it is a miscarriage, but if you use a scalpel and she loses her child its nothing?.....

It's a matter of choice. In the first case the woman has no choice. In the second case, she does.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

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"If my younger sister was in a car accident and desperately needed a blood transfusion to live, and I was the only person on Earth who could donate blood to save her, and even though donating blood is relatively easy, safe, and quick procedure, NO ONE CAN FORCE ME TO GIVE BLOOD. Yes, even to save the life of a fully grown person, it would be ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL to force me to donate blood if I didn't want to.

See, we have this concept called "bodily autonomy". It's this cultural notion that a person's control over their own body is above all important and must not be infringed upon.

We can't even take LIFE SAVING ORGANS from corpses unless the person whose corpse it is gave consent before their death. Even dead bodies get bodily autonomy.

To tell people that they must sacrifice their bodily autonomy for 9 months against their will in an incredibly expensive, invasive, difficult process to save what YOU view as another human life (a debatable claim in the early stages of pregnancy when the vast majority of abortions are performed) is deeply, desperately, depravedly unethical. You can't even ask people to sacrifice bodily autonomy to give up organs they aren't using anymore after they have died.

You're demanding women accept less bodily autonomy than you give to dead bodies."

And furthermore, if you demand that women must carry a pregnancy to full term, then you must also support the state pulling organs out of your body (dead or alive) to save the life of someone else...someone you don't know, have never met, and will never meet.

so in summary, we can't take your blood to save your sisters' life without your permission........we can't take a person's organs to save a person's life without their permission......but you say we can't stop a woman from chopping her unborn baby into tiny pieces for whatever reason she feels like and she doesn't need the child's permission........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

According to Jewish law, a fetus doesn't have a soul...only once it is born is it recognized as a life (and if it's a boy, not really until the bris).

So...are you now saying Jews are wrong and evil?

the ones who kill their children?....without question......

 

[Nordberg]

It is not her choice. Murder is not a right.

It is not about her autonomy. It is about murder.

Pivot fallacy. False equivalence fallacy.

Abortion is a legal medical procedure and is not murder.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

It's a matter of choice. In the first case the woman has no choice. In the second case, she does.

I don't recall the Bible passage saying anything about it being okay if mom consents to it......

 

[gfm7175]

Sorry, I only can read posts from Into the Night, so maybe switch back to that sock.

 

[gfm7175]

Oh, Sybil. Quite being silly. You know that the vaccine, when fully in effect,

Define "fully in effect".

helps both prevent catching COVID

Nope. It does no such thing. In fact, it injects COVID right into you.

and, if caught, lessens it's severity.

Does it? I just recently heard a story about a famous boxer who got jabbed yet still wound up in an ICU... Meanwhile, Joe Rogan, who DIDN'T get jabbed, treated himself early on with monoclonal antibodies and ivermectin and he felt better almost instantly.

Why do you think differently?[/QUOTE]

 

[Into the Night]

so if you beat a woman and she loses her child it is a miscarriage, but if you use a scalpel and she loses her child its nothing?.....

See what this sort of rationalization does to idiots like him? He's walking into another paradox.