“American progress in peril”

archives said:
Not always, but usually, companies buy the patents from the individuals who file the patents, and that usually is not the schools

But you are getting beyond the topic thread, it is hard to deny that most major research in nearly all fields begins at the University level, and to indiscriminately cut funding for this research will have consequences
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You are getting beyond the topic.

Salk's research, again, was funded through a foundation that received donations from Americans to and then from the March of Dimes. This kind of funding would still be available, it wasn't government and it wasn't funded by the University.
 
archives said:
Not always, but usually, companies buy the patents from the individuals who file the patents, and that usually is not the schools

But you are getting beyond the topic thread, it is hard to deny that most major research in nearly all fields begins at the University level, and to indiscriminately cut funding for this research will have consequences
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Yes. It means research into the latest way to scam the government for money will be reduced.
 
Damocles said:
Salk chose not to patent it, thus making it affordable. However folks manufacturing and selling it make profits. It just made it easier for them to do it without paying the high fees most universities charge.

The funding for Salk's vaccine was from a foundation created by the President and then funded by donations to the March of Dimes...

I get what you are saying, but that kind of funding would still be available. The University did not fund Salk's research.
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It was done at Pittsburgh, their facilities, neither the Foundation nor March of Dimes set up facilities for Salk to research
 
Anyway, DOGE canceled "studies" that were almost all education related. You know, the studies that have won us the race to the highest spending per capita while winning the race to the bottom of the education outcomes...

The two races we shouldn't want to win.
 
archives said:
It was done at Pittsburgh, their facilities, neither the Foundation nor March of Dimes set up facilities for Salk to research
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The funding was by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a non-profit created by President Roosevelt (you know, the one with the wheelchair), which got funding from donations to the March of Dimes. It was not funded by the University. University funded studies required a contract that would require a patent, he didn't want that.

Your example sucks, it is a great example of who will fund studies IF government funding disappears.
 
Yakuda said:
Explain why the govt has to pay for it
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Look around you. The reason you are alive today is in part because of medical advances that arose out of the APOLLO PROGRAM. How about your refrigerator? Do you realize that the USDA has been doing agricultural research ON YOUR BEHALF for almost 2 centuries? The amount of amazing tech that has come out of the USDA over those two centuries has allowed the WORLD to prosper agriculturally. You have electricity? Likely part of the source of your electricity is from a nuclear power plant. That came DIRECTLY out of the Manhattan Project.

The government has to pay for it because WE AS A NATION have to pool our resources. And you benefit every single day even though you have no clue.
 
Damocles said:
Anyway, DOGE canceled "studies" that were almost all education related. You know, the studies that have won us the race to the highest spending per capita while winning the race to the bottom of the education outcomes...

The two races we shouldn't want to win.
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Trump is cutting funds to major Universities, funds Universities use for research, like most of DOGE, is indiscriminate cutting, not only “education related”
 
Damocles said:
Those corporations you get so upset about how much money they make from the research? They'll make less if they have to fund it, you should be happier.
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Having spent my adult life working in industrial R&D I can say that it is always a struggle to get corporations to invest more in R&D than they absolutely need to. There's precious little space in industry today to ever get the kind of stuff that Bell Labs put out on a daily basis. But then Bell Labs was federally mandated to exist. Because without that mandate corporations don't really like to spend TOO Much on their R&D. Especially if it doesn't pay off SUPER FAST.

The best, coolest ideas can be killed because they don't hit the right NPVI. Nothing to do with the technology.
 
archives said:
Trump is cutting funds to major Universities, funds Universities use for research, like most of DOGE, is indiscriminate cutting, not only “education related”
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You're right. DOGE isn't cutting based on analyses. DOGE is just cutting. That's why Elonia was waving the CHAINSAW around instead of a scalpel.

Try doing surgery with a chainsaw and this is what we get.
 
Daylight63 said:
Having spent my adult life working in industrial R&D I can say that it is always a struggle to get corporations to invest more in R&D than they absolutely need to. There's precious little space in industry today to ever get the kind of stuff that Bell Labs put out on a daily basis. But then Bell Labs was federally mandated to exist. Because without that mandate corporations don't really like to spend TOO Much on their R&D. Especially if it doesn't pay off SUPER FAST.

The best, coolest ideas can be killed because they don't hit the right NPVI. Nothing to do with the technology.
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This is why new technology usually comes from startup companies and is purchased by these folks.
 
Damocles said:
This is why new technology usually comes from startup companies and is purchased by these folks.
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Not really. Let's take your blockbuster drugs. Usually about 50% of the R&D that develops blockbuster drugs is NIH funded. Meaning the corporations didn't invent the drug. They bought the patent and started to make it.

Start ups are good, don't get me wrong. But the really big ticket items don't come from start ups.
 
archives said:
Trump is cutting funds to major Universities, funds Universities use for research, like most of DOGE, is indiscriminate cutting, not only “education related”
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I wish we had all the money in the world. Universities that have multi billion dollar funds of their own do not need government research dollars to function. If they want to fund the research then fund it.

If you want to fund the research then donate. It is my experience that folks more carefully choose what to fund when the funding is more direct. When it is "magic" money and they are incapable of understanding the crippling debt we are already under they are like you... "It's magic money you jerk, just give it to them or we'll never find out how members of the Great Apes family react to gambling!"
 
Damocles said:
The funding was by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, a non-profit created by President Roosevelt (you know, the one with the wheelchair), which got funding from donations to the March of Dimes. It was not funded by the University. University funded studies required a contract that would require a patent, he didn't want that.

Your example sucks, it is a great example of who will fund studies IF government funding disappears.
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Interesting, I just read up on Salk's denial of the patent. Sounds like initially the proposal for the patent didn't pass the "NOVELTY" bar per the attorney who was to draft it up. The atty didn't feel like it could make it through patent prosecution. So it's kind of moot anyway.

I believe the company Showa Denko invented the QR code and patented it. But they opted NOT to enforce the patent and make it freely available. Not sure if there's any advantage to doing it that way other than to drop a couple K's in fees to the USPTO. But still.


slate.com

Why Jonas Salk Didn’t Patent His Polio Vaccine

Also in Slate: Jonas Salk didn’t patent the polio vaccine, but Google Doodles—like today’s on Salk—are patented.
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