Are we better off with a discredited FBI?

noise said:
The FBI LEADERSHIP ( so called 7th floor) are corrupt. Look at the demotions already.
Page
Strozk
Baker
Ribyiki (sp?)
McCabe..

virtually every time we talk about 'FBI corruption' -it's said as "FBI leadership"

Thing's OP doesn't separate it out -but nobody has any problems with the so called 'rank and file' agents.
Hopefully Thing ( and others) stop the conflation about "discrediting the FBI"
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The media [Thing parrots them] has come to the defense of the FBI over this.

Let that thought sink in.
 
Thing1 said:
I'd also add that Trump's admin has a much longer list of demotions and defections from his 1st year. I suppose that means it is corrupt, as well?
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Or perhaps he is more apt to provoke resignations for incompatibility or weed out those who don't measure up than whichever DEMOCRAT you were emotionally invested in when you posted that.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
was anyone looking for them?.....
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"The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2207, is an Act of Congress of the United States governing the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents created or received after January 20, 1981, and mandating the preservation of all presidential records. The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents must manage their records.

Specifically, the Presidential Records Act:

Defines and states public ownership of the records.
Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal.
Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30‑day notice period to the former and current Presidents."

At some point someone might have wanted to have a look at them.
 
Gotcha68 said:
Hillary's deleted emails manage to find their way into just about every thread so I included other deleted emails. The fact that they may have been recovered is beside the damn point. Seriously?
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actually it would be squarely on top of the point, wouldn't it.....it no one was looking for the emails and they still found them they would be a lot different than the Rose law firm records, er....I mean the Whitewater contracts, dang - wait I will get this right.....White House travel accounts?......oh I got it......emails!......
 
Gotcha68 said:
3. Breaking and smashing

Longtime Bill Clinton aide Justin Cooper, who helped set up the private email account that Hillary Clinton used as secretary of state, was the person “usually responsible” for setting up her new devices and syncing them to the server. Top aides Huma Abedin and Monica Hanley, as well as another person whose name is redacted, also helped Clinton set up her BlackBerry.

According to Abedin and Hanley, Clinton’s old devices would often disappear to parts “unknown once she transitioned to a new device.”

Cooper, according to the report, “did recall two instances where he destroyed Clinton’s old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/best-of-clinton-fbi-report-227692

Doesn't sound like they were destroyed with malicious intent specific to destroying evidence etc.
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It doesn't? It sounds exactly like habitual prophylactic spoliation to me.

Then there's the "Bleachbit" incident.

https://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something

Did you know that Hillary's server guy Paul Combetta was asking people on a public internet forum how to destroy data?

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-19/paul-combetta-computer-specialist-who-deleted-hillary-clinton-emails-may-have-asked-reddit-for-tips
 
Thing1 said:
I appreciate the response, and agree that no one is above the law.

Do you think the Nunes memo justifies a conclusion that there is systemic corruption & abuse in the FBI?
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Can we just clarify something for the purposes of this conversation?

While you may disagree with what Nunes did and that is fine, but can we agree that for most people they are not criticizing EVERY single individual in the FBI.

It is only a handful in leadership positions that we are criticizing.

You seem to be implying that the FBI is and has always been above corruption and abuse of power. Need we remind you of J. Edgar Hoover?

Your faux indignation is kind of tiring.
 
Thing1 said:
Honestly, the bolded just shows that you're aware on some level of how damaging this is.

Yesterday's tweet was the first time I heard Trump separate it, and give praise to the rank & file. Not saying it's the first time he's done that, but as someone who follows him pretty closely, the vast majority of what he puts out there does not differentiate. He, Hannity & the rest talk about the FBI like it's a corrupt, partisan organization through & through. And he has spoken that way about the intel community & media as well.

It's reckless, and ham-handed at best. And it's all for self-preservation...he doesn't care what happens to America.
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lets stipulate for a second that I am 100% wrong on all of this.

Even so, you are saying that questioning our institutions is bad. Is unamerican.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Your premise is stupid and lazy. What about the "harm to the presidency and a major branch of government" when it comes to questioning trump? I notice you don't give a shit about that.

If it's ok to question congress, or the president, and other major institutions of our government, then the FBI is fair game as well. They are not a holy sacred institution that deserves to be untouchable and blindly trusted in.

It is perfectly acceptable and american to constantly question our institutions.

You don't want any of this, because you are scared of what we'll find. You're pathetic.
 
TTQ64 said:
The racist white men who are now against the FBI are still butt hurt that a Black man and Black woman led the FBI and the Government. That's what all this is about. They know dump and his administration colluded with Russians and they are using the FBI (that was lead by Blacks) as a scape goat. don't put anything past racist white men...and neither should Americans.
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Hilarious. Tell the forum that all government statistics are invalid because they are falsified by racist white devils. That's my favorite.
 
Thing1 said:
Your "crying Thingy" graphic is pretty ironic in light of that, though. You sound like the tense one on this thread - the one shaking his fists at the sky.

Just an observation. No disrespect intended.
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newbies need to learn very quickly we wont be subjected to their bullshit moralizing. I think I effectively got that across.
 
Guest said:
Then you'd be a failure in that regard.
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Given the numerous comments you have left on here and the way you "argue", your opinion of my successes or failures means next to nothing. I know I know, you're crushed about that but, believe me, life goes on. Eat a pint of ice cream and watch Scandal. Tomorrow will be better.
 
Thing1 said:
It's so overblown. You are passionate about a general anti-liberal/anti-government stance, and it really clouds your POV on issues like this. Maybe you didn't FOLLOW Hannity, but his brand of paranoia, exaggeration & partisan bias is based on the same basic blueprint.

It's a bit hard to watch from a perspective that isn't as emotionally invested, especially since it has really established a foothold with a certain segment of the population.

I really don't know what people are so afraid of. Even if I loved Trump, I would judge the investigation on its merits, and that cannot be done until the conclusions & evidence are presented. If the latter are flimsy or poorly constructed, it will be fairly obvious.
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If said evidence was acquired under illegal means then it irrelevant.

What you fail to realize is that any hope you liberals had of impeaching Trump are officially over unless Mueller digs up conclusive unimpeachable evidence that Trump colluded with “the Russians”.

Even if Mueller tries a lame obstruction charge. Trump will not be impeached if the underlying investigation is found to be built on a lie even if Trump did obstruct
 
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