Armenian genocide vote

Damocles said:
It is not the right way to do it. If they wish to bring home the troops vote to defund the war instead of moving to end a relationship with a NATO ally.
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I don't know that this is what they are doing, I said "even if".

You don't know, SF doesn't know, it's all conjecture.

And are you the final word on the "right way" to save lives? I notice that the "right way" to save lives always involves decimating the democrats politically, but I am sure that is just a coicidence. lol

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care any less about this than I do. But if you and SF want to get all worked up over it, "it's wrong" "we should use diplomacy" go ahead, but don't mind my laughing in the background.
 
Darla said:
You seem upset. I know that diplomacy is the most important thing in our foreign policy arsenal to you...as it is with most conservatives. That's why they love the French so much.

Maybe you should write a letter to the President, asking him to go to the Dems and plead with them for diplomacy?
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Diplomacy is certainly important, but not the be all end all. But you most definitely do not want leaders going around deliberately insulting and alienating an ally simply to score political points with your extremist constituents. Or do you?

Do you care one bit that they are alienating a NATO ally? One that actually supports the US?
 
Darla said:
I don't know that this is what they are doing, I said "even if".

You don't know, SF doesn't know, it's all conjecture.

And are you the final word on the "right way" to save lives? I notice that the "right way" to save lives always involves decimating the democrats politically, but I am sure that is just a coicidence. lol

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care any less about this than I do. But if you and SF want to get all worked up over it, "it's wrong" "we should use diplomacy" go ahead, but don't mind my laughing in the background.
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Ending it by sending in another military into the region is better? Seriously, undermining this over a 100 year old genocide that already is in our textbooks has far more reaching effects than just 'insulting' a few Turks.
 
Damocles said:
It appears so.
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Right.

I'll tell you the funniest thing I saw this weekend was the zionist Mort Zuckerman who has been whoring the lives of American youths out to save Israel, whining about this.

He had no idea why we would have to check in on this "supposed" genocide. Man, try and tell Mort that the Holocaust doesn't need to be acknowledged because it serves no purpose to do so and if he doesn't cut your head off himself, he will hire someone to do it.

...and he continues to beat the drums for war with Iran. More American blood for Mort, but you can be assured sir, his kids aren't going.

You guys crack me up, you really do.
 
Superfreak said:
Diplomacy is certainly important, but not the be all end all. But you most definitely do not want leaders going around deliberately insulting and alienating an ally simply to score political points with your extremist constituents. Or do you?

Do you care one bit that they are alienating a NATO ally? One that actually supports the US?
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No.

Next question?
 
Darla said:
I don't know that this is what they are doing, I said "even if".

You don't know, SF doesn't know, it's all conjecture.

And are you the final word on the "right way" to save lives? I notice that the "right way" to save lives always involves decimating the democrats politically, but I am sure that is just a coicidence. lol

Honestly, I couldn't possibly care any less about this than I do. But if you and SF want to get all worked up over it, "it's wrong" "we should use diplomacy" go ahead, but don't mind my laughing in the background.
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So you think it will save lives to piss off the Turks, who if alienated from the US will be far less likely to resist the urge to crush the Kurds who are raiding into Turkey? That is exactly what the mid-east needs right now.... Turks vs. Kurds in Northern Iraq. That will do wonders for the region.

And you are full of shit if you think this is anything other than political posturing. Otherwise, why do it now? Provide just one alternative reason that it MIGHT be. The only reason to do this now is to try to back door their way into the CIC role.
 
Superfreak said:
Diplomacy is certainly important, but not the be all end all. But you most definitely do not want leaders going around deliberately insulting and alienating an ally simply to score political points with your extremist constituents. Or do you?

Do you care one bit that they are alienating a NATO ally? One that actually supports the US?
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Its a little late for you to feign concern over insulting allies, after you and your president spent 6 years insulting "old europe".

I don't like insulting allies, when its not neccessary. The difference being, you and your president lied to insult our allies: basically calling them terrorist-lovers and pro-saddam traitors. Freedom fries? How childish was that?

This resolution is actually about the truth. There was a genocide, the turks deny it, and it acutually did happen.
 
Darla said:
Right.

I'll tell you the funniest thing I saw this weekend was the zionist Mort Zuckerman who has been whoring the lives of American youths out to save Israel, whining about this.

He had no idea why we would have to check in on this "supposed" genocide. Man, try and tell Mort that the Holocaust doesn't need to be acknowledged because it serves no purpose to do so and if he doesn't cut your head off himself, he will hire someone to do it.

...and he continues to beat the drums for war with Iran. More American blood for Mort, but you can be assured sir, his kids aren't going.

You guys crack me up, you really do.
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When did Congress pass a bill to acknowledge the Holocaust? Was it during a war which Germany was an ally that might end the alliance?

Could this be done at another time? Of course it could. Would it be just as valid after our troops are out of Iraq? Yes, it would. Might it give the same reaction, without our troops being in the line of fire? Maybe. But doubtless they are using their position as an ally who might end the relationship because they have some leverage on the US at this time, which they wouldn't when we have gotten out of Iraq.

Attempting to force the issue by bringing in another military presense through this action is not the right way to end the war. Have the balls to end it the right way, then have your 'genocide' vote.
 
Ahh , I even got more than a 2 liner from you :D

Yes it might be only for political posturing. But I do not have enough information to say that for sure.
And as I have said several times here I think all of our govt sucks right now. the Repubs just scare me more.
 
Superfreak said:
So you think it will save lives to piss off the Turks, who if alienated from the US will be far less likely to resist the urge to crush the Kurds who are raiding into Turkey? That is exactly what the mid-east needs right now.... Turks vs. Kurds in Northern Iraq. That will do wonders for the region.

And you are full of shit if you think this is anything other than political posturing. Otherwise, why do it now? Provide just one alternative reason that it MIGHT be. The only reason to do this now is to try to back door their way into the CIC role.
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Your real problem with this.

Let me state once again; don't care today, won't care tomorrow.
 
Superfreak said:
Diplomacy is certainly important, but not the be all end all. But you most definitely do not want leaders going around deliberately insulting and alienating an ally simply to score political points with your extremist constituents. Or do you?

Do you care one bit that they are alienating a NATO ally? One that actually supports the US?
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"If you are not with us you are for terrorism"

Does Turkey want to be a terrorist supporting nation ?
Does that proposed pipeline cross Turkey ?
 
Darla said:
Your real problem with this.

Let me state once again; don't care today, won't care tomorrow.
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Yes, that is a big problem. THAT is NOT the role of Congress. It is the role of the President. You whine and bitch about the President and what he is doing, try to back door him with bullshit like this, that will alienate an ally and potentially HARM our troops and you don't care. Then your precious Dem leaders go and hand Bush yet another back door into Iran. So if he uses that back door.... will you then try to find ways to screw our troops if he sends them into Iran? all for the sake of political points?

If you don't care.... try posting on the who is funny thread. That seems to be your intellect level for today.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes, that is a big problem. THAT is NOT the role of Congress. It is the role of the President. You whine and bitch about the President and what he is doing, try to back door him with bullshit like this, that will alienate an ally and potentially HARM our troops and you don't care. Then your precious Dem leaders go and hand Bush yet another back door into Iran. So if he uses that back door.... will you then try to find ways to screw our troops if he sends them into Iran? all for the sake of political points?

If you don't care.... try posting on the who is funny thread. That seems to be your intellect level for today.
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YOu don't care either.

You care about one thing; the power of George w bush to continue to conduct an illegal war against the wishes of 70% of the American people not be impeded.

So get off your high horse.
 
Superfreak said:
Yes, that is a big problem. THAT is NOT the role of Congress. It is the role of the President. You whine and bitch about the President and what he is doing, try to back door him with bullshit like this, that will alienate an ally and potentially HARM our troops and you don't care. Then your precious Dem leaders go and hand Bush yet another back door into Iran. So if he uses that back door.... will you then try to find ways to screw our troops if he sends them into Iran? all for the sake of political points?

If you don't care.... try posting on the who is funny thread. That seems to be your intellect level for today.
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Don't get angry and scold a poster, who simply doesn't care about an issue as much as you. She gave you an answer: she doesn't care. Niether do I frankly. The republic will survive this vote. Its arrogant to get mad if somebody doesn't care about an issue as much as you do. So calm down. :clink:
 
Superfreak said:
What pipeline are you referring to? The one through Afghanistan???
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Yep, does it cross part of Turkey ?
I am not sure at all , just looking for other reasons here. One thing I know about politics the most blatant reason for an action is seldom the real one.
 
uscitizen said:
"If you are not with us you are for terrorism"

Does Turkey want to be a terrorist supporting nation ?
Does that proposed pipeline cross Turkey ?
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I question what kind of an "ally" would invade another country because the US said something it did not like? This is a non-binding resolution. It comes down to Turkey is willing to invade Iraq because the Us Congress did not get on its knees and say "Yes Sir Turkey" and shut up? That is amazing but not as amazing as all of the previously tough talking conservatives pissing themselves in fear over what Turkey is going to do now that it cannot control the actions of the United States Congress.

Wow.
 
Darla said:
YOu don't care either.

You care about one thing; the power of George w bush to continue to conduct an illegal war against the wishes of 70% of the American people not be impeded.

So get off your high horse.
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You are full of shit today.

Do 70% of the American people approve of the Dems screwing the troops and pissing off an ally simply to score political points?

If not, then your 70% is bullshit.

Second.... the war is not illegal. Congress gave Bush the backdoor to go into Iraq. Just as the Dems have given him the back door into Iran. So enough of the "its Bush's war" crap. That is a cop out and you know it. Just because the Dems and Reps in Congress keep playing this bullshit game to avoid responsibility, doesn't take away their responsibility. No matter how many fuck ups he has, they still continue to give him the power to act.
 
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