Armenian genocide vote

Darla said:
I don't know, why don't you go investigate that further, because apparently the right wing website you lifted it from didn't bother to explain why, if this is the case, Bush I, Clinton, and G W refused to call it a genocide, and that is on record.

You tell us.
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Calling BS on Superfreak's claim that this is a partisan democratic resoltuion specifically desinged to embarrase bush.

The lead co-sponsor of the resolution is a republican:

WASHINGTON, DC – A bipartisan group of over 50 U.S. Representatives joined today with lead sponsors George Radanovich (R-CA), Adam Schiff (D-CA), and Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairmen Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) in introducing the Armenian Genocide Resolution in the House of Representatives, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).
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Cypress said:
You didn't read what I wrote. I didn't say it was the same one as the one going through afghanistan.
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His question was if it was, then you went off on this. I am making it very, very clear that a pipeline in Afghanistan has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey, that would be much like asking if a pipeline in Alaska was going to run through Florida.
 
Cypress said:
Calling BS on Superfreak's claim that this is a partisan democratic resoltuion specifically desinged to embarrase bush.


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WASHINGTON, DC – A bipartisan group of over 50 U.S. Representatives joined today with lead sponsors George Radanovich (R-CA), Adam Schiff (D-CA), and Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairmen Frank Pallone (D-NJ) and Joe Knollenberg (R-MI) in introducing the Armenian Genocide Resolution in the House of Representatives, reported the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA).

The lead co-sponsor of the resolution is a republican:
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Uh-oh. "They" got to the Republicans too.
 
Damocles said:
His question was if it was, then you went off on this. I am making it very, very clear that a pipeline in Afghanistan has absolutely nothing to do with Turkey, that would be much like asking if a pipeline in Alaska was going to run through Florida.
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somebody said turkey and afghanistan aren't on the same continent. I was responding to that.

I didn't say anthing about it being the same pipeline that being built to pakistan through afghanistan.
 
Cypress said:
somebody said turkey and afghanistan aren't on the same continent. I was responding to that.

I didn't say anthing about it being the same pipeline that being built to pakistan through afghanistan.
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And you are right, Turkey does span into Asia. My point was the huge amount of distance between the two. Much of Turkey is in Europe, hence they are part of the European Union. Afghanistan is very, very far from Turkey. Nearly an entire continent away.

You however, stated, "I think the pipeline you are talking about... blah, blah, which goes through Turkey."

I am making it very clear, that he was in no way talking about any such pipeline when the question was about the one in Afghanistan crossing Turkey possibly...

Seriously man.
 
Darla said:
I don't know, why don't you go investigate that further, because apparently the right wing website you lifted it from didn't bother to explain why, if this is the case, Bush I, Clinton, and G W refused to call it a genocide, and that is on record.

You tell us.
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http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.158/current_category.7/affirmation_detail.html

There is your "right-wing" site.

Please explain why every single Dem and Rep that voted for this is voting for it.

I have no idea why Bush I and Clinton refused to do so. GW cannot for the very reasons we are telling you that this is a horrible time to deliberately piss off an ally in the mid east.

The fact of the matter is that this has already been acknowledged by our Government. If I remember correctly the resolution in 1984 was the second resolution to do so. I think there was one in the early 70's as well.

The "right-wing" stie also provides a link to the US Congess website.... so you can easily check the resolution there.
 
Superfreak said:
SO? the fact is... this was already acknowledged over 23 years ago...

September 12, 1984

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Joint Resolution

To designate April 24, 1985, as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man".

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That April 24, 1985, is hereby designated as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man", and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923, and in whose memory this date is commemorated by all Armenians and their friends throughout the world.

Passed the House of Representatives September 10, 1984.
Attest: Benjamin J. Guthrie, Clerk. "

So tell me Asshat... why do we need to do it again?
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To disabuse you neocon fucks of your tendency to get in bed with scum.
 
uscitizen said:
I know it is not the humvee it is the thing that looks like it has a boat keel.
they manufacture them in Iraq ?
link please.

I recall reading about troops in Iraq seeing the mercs having them long before they started showing up for our own troops.
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I saw it on 60 minutes last night.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.158/current_category.7/affirmation_detail.html

There is your "right-wing" site.

Please explain why every single Dem and Rep that voted for this is voting for it.

I have no idea why Bush I and Clinton refused to do so. GW cannot for the very reasons we are telling you that this is a horrible time to deliberately piss off an ally in the mid east.

The fact of the matter is that this has already been acknowledged by our Government. If I remember correctly the resolution in 1984 was the second resolution to do so. I think there was one in the early 70's as well.

The "right-wing" stie also provides a link to the US Congess website.... so you can easily check the resolution there.
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It has nothing to do with this war, US policy has been to refuse to call it a genocide, from Bush I (I do not know about Reagan), to Clinton, to BushII.

Obviously, the Armenian people in this country, wanted to do something about that. Get over your paranoia, they have been trying to get this resolution since Clinton was in office, long before Iraq was more than a "I can do anything daddy can do better" gleam in your boy's eye.
 
AssHatZombie said:
To disabuse you neocon fucks of your tendency to get in bed with scum.
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By that logic, all Americans, British and French are scum as well for we too would be held accountable for the actions of our ancestors that slaughtered the native populations of North and South America.
 
Darla said:
It has nothing to do with this war, US policy has been to refuse to call it a genocide, from Bush I (I do not know about Reagan), to Clinton, to BushII.

Obviously, the Armenian people in this country, wanted to do something about that. Get over your paranoia, they have been trying to get this resolution since Clinton was in office, long before Iraq was more than a "I can do anything daddy can do better" gleam in your boy's eye.
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It sure as hell has something to do with the war now. Partisan politics is bound to help matters !:rolleyes:
 
Darla said:
It has nothing to do with this war, US policy has been to refuse to call it a genocide, from Bush I (I do not know about Reagan), to Clinton, to BushII.

Obviously, the Armenian people in this country, wanted to do something about that. Get over your paranoia, they have been trying to get this resolution since Clinton was in office, long before Iraq was more than a "I can do anything daddy can do better" gleam in your boy's eye.
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What paranoia are you referring to Darla?

This has everything to do with this war. Or do you think that somehow the Dems are going to suddenly lose control of the House in 2008? They can wait and do this at a later date if it truly has nothing to do with this war. But you and I both know that is just bullshit you tossed out to try and yet again divert from the topic. This has everything to do with this war.

Obviously the Dem leadership is nothing more than another bunch of pandering idiots that have replaced the Reps leadership and their bunch of pandering idiots.
 
Superfreak said:
What paranoia are you referring to Darla?

This has everything to do with this war. Or do you think that somehow the Dems are going to suddenly lose control of the House in 2008? They can wait and do this at a later date if it truly has nothing to do with this war. But you and I both know that is just bullshit you tossed out to try and yet again divert from the topic. This has everything to do with this war.

Obviously the Dem leadership is nothing more than another bunch of pandering idiots that have replaced the Reps leadership and their bunch of pandering idiots.
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"GW cannot for the very reasons we are telling you that this is a horrible time to deliberately piss off an ally in the mid east."

When I said it had nothing to do with this war, I meant that Bush not calling it a genocide has nothing to do with this war. That has been US policy for three presidents, at least, now.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/Affirmation.158/current_category.7/affirmation_detail.html

There is your "right-wing" site.

Please explain why every single Dem and Rep that voted for this is voting for it.

I have no idea why Bush I and Clinton refused to do so. GW cannot for the very reasons we are telling you that this is a horrible time to deliberately piss off an ally in the mid east.

The fact of the matter is that this has already been acknowledged by our Government. If I remember correctly the resolution in 1984 was the second resolution to do so. I think there was one in the early 70's as well.

The "right-wing" stie also provides a link to the US Congess website.... so you can easily check the resolution there.
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You have clearly suggested the resolution was a partisan effort by democrats to deliberately hurt the war effort. And you suggested that to think otherwise, was ill informed and stupid. Paraphrasing, of course.

Can you explain why Congressman Radanovich, republican of California (ultra conservative by the way) is the lead co-sponsor? Does Radanovich also want to hurt the war effort in a partisan way?

Or, were you wrong? Is it just possible there are other reasons people of good faith might support the resolution?
 
uscitizen said:
Yeah Damo piplelines accross Turkey are so ridiculous :)

http://islandtides.com/assets/reprint/Oil_Reserves_Nov8_01.pdf

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/oil.html

Looks to be a bit closer than FL and Alaska too.
Butt then republicans were never too good on geography.

Not the same pipline, but the same objective.
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No, you attempted to suggest that they were the same ones that went through Afghanistan. I disabused you of that notion. At least look at a map before you put your foot in it again.

You can keep trying to pretend, but it is clear you have no idea what the Geography of the area is like. It was a seriously ignorant statement of inanity that is probably about the same level as Dixie's 1/3 thread.

Seriously, they are not close, there is no pipeline spanning both of them, and Turkey's imporance has little to do with any supposed pipeline in Afghanistan.
 
Umm look on the map Damo are Turkey and Afganistan as far away from each other as FL and alaska ?

You gonna pick nits I will too.

Possible piplenes to get caspian sea area oil out are involved in turkey.
 
Damocles said:
And you are right, Turkey does span into Asia. My point was the huge amount of distance between the two. Much of Turkey is in Europe, hence they are part of the European Union. Afghanistan is very, very far from Turkey. Nearly an entire continent away.

You however, stated, "I think the pipeline you are talking about... blah, blah, which goes through Turkey."

I am making it very clear, that he was in no way talking about any such pipeline when the question was about the one in Afghanistan crossing Turkey possibly...

Seriously man.
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I was talking about a different pipeline. I said its the one going from the caspian fields through turkey.
 
Cypress said:
You have clearly suggested the resolution was a partisan effort by democrats to deliberately hurt the war effort. And you suggested that to think otherwise, was ill informed and stupid. Paraphrasing, of course.

Can you explain why Congressman Radanovich, republican of California (ultra conservative by the way) is the lead co-sponsor? Does Radanovich also want to hurt the war effort in a partisan way?

Or, were you wrong? Is it just possible there are other reasons people of good faith might support the resolution?
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I wonder why Turkey would use a non-binding resolution as a reason to invade Iraq?

Well, they have had 60 thousand troops massed on that border...I guess any excuse will do.

What do you know, but "Remember the Maine" is not just an American ploy.
 
Damocles said:
No, you attempted to suggest that they were the same ones that went through Afghanistan. I disabused you of that notion. At least look at a map before you put your foot in it again.

You can keep trying to pretend, but it is clear you have no idea what the Geography of the area is like. It was a seriously ignorant statement of inanity that is probably about the same level as Dixie's 1/3 thread.

Seriously, they are not close, there is no pipeline spanning both of them, and Turkey's imporance has little to do with any supposed pipeline in Afghanistan.
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STFU about this pipeline you fucking nerds.

Nobody cares.

Nobody cares where Turkey falls on a fucking map either.

Jesus Christ Almighty I hope you guys are never looking for a woman, because "I know where Turkey is on a map, do you?" isn't getting anybody laid.

This is one of those things that I write sometimes, probably three times a day here, and end up not hitting "send" on, but this time I am going to. Take a look at what people really think but are usually too polite to say!
 
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