Armenian genocide vote

[Litmus]

It appears so.

See, I believe there is an innate value of having all genocides acknowledged, regardless of political expediency. Besides this whole Machiavellian "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" meme is why this country is starting to suck.
Leaders that will lay down with any dog just to win short term gains need to get lost. Screw turkey, the truth is more important.

 

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I question what kind of an "ally" would invade another country because the US said something it did not like? This is a non-binding resolution. It comes down to Turkey is willing to invade Iraq because the Us Congress did not get on its knees and say "Yes Sir Turkey" and shut up? That is amazing but not as amazing as all of the previously tough talking conservatives pissing themselves in fear over what Turkey is going to do now that it cannot control the actions of the United States Congress.

Wow.

You are truly pathetic on this topic. Not happy to see you stumbling all over yourself to be a Dem apologist. It doesn't suit you. Hopefully it is not something that spreads to other issues for you.

 

[Cancel7]

You are full of shit today.

Do 70% of the American people approve of the Dems screwing the troops and pissing off an ally simply to score political points?

If not, then your 70% is bullshit.

Second.... the war is not illegal. Congress gave Bush the backdoor to go into Iraq. Just as the Dems have given him the back door into Iran. So enough of the "its Bush's war" crap. That is a cop out and you know it. Just because the Dems and Reps in Congress keep playing this bullshit game to avoid responsibility, doesn't take away their responsibility. No matter how many fuck ups he has, they still continue to give him the power to act.

70% of the American people no longer support this war.

The idea that the "troops are being screwed" is something you put out there, as if it were fact, but some of us disagree and feel that the troops are being screwed by being kept in Iraq, period. That in other words, you are screwing the troops, so give it a rest. Hiding behind "the troops", that is so last year.

The invasion of Iraq was against International law SF. Try and expand your mind a little bit beyond "the dems did it too". There's a whole world out there.

 

[Cancel7]

You are truly pathetic on this topic. Not happy to see you stumbling all over yourself to be a Dem apologist. It doesn't suit you. Hopefully it is not something that spreads to other issues for you.

I'm pathetic?

I'm not the one pissing myself over what fucking Turkey might do next, and I'll tell you, I don't think Turkey should be telling the United States Congress what they can or cannot say.

Maybe you do.

We differ.

 

[Damocles]

Yep, does it cross part of Turkey ?
I am not sure at all , just looking for other reasons here. One thing I know about politics the most blatant reason for an action is seldom the real one.

They are on different continents. Geez.

 

[uscitizen]

Blackwater seemed to get their Mercenaries the new armored personnle carriers over there before our troops got them anyway, so perhaps the Turkey route is not the right route.

 

[Cypress]

You are full of shit today.

Do 70% of the American people approve of the Dems screwing the troops and pissing off an ally simply to score political points?

Your presenting your ASSUMPTION as if it were fact.

If not, then your 70% is bullshit.

Second.... the war is not illegal.

1) Top Bush Advisor Admits war was illegal:

"International law ... would have required us to leave Saddam Hussein alone , and this would have been morally unacceptable.” -- RICHARD PERLE, top Bush Defense Policy advisor; a top architect of the Iraq War.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1089158,00.html[/quote]

2) "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it (Bush’s Iraq War) was illegal." -- KOFI ANNAN, UN Secretary General

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1305709,00.html

3) “Iraq War Was Illegal” - HANS BLIX, Chief Iraq WMD Inspector

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0305-01.htm

4) UN Charter:

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state…(except in the case of) self-defence if an armed attack occurs …" -- Unites States 1945 signatory, and pledged to abide by obligations of UN Charter

US Constitution , Article VI:

“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Congress gave Bush the backdoor to go into Iraq. Just as the Dems have given him the back door into Iran. So enough of the "its Bush's war" crap. That is a cop out and you know it. Just because the Dems and Reps in Congress keep playing this bullshit game to avoid responsibility, doesn't take away their responsibility. No matter how many fuck ups he has, they still continue to give him the power to act.

Its your and Bush's war. As lame as the Dems have been, you Bush and the GOP have full ownership of this war. You wanted it, you sold it, you lied for it, and you cheerlead it for 5 years

 

[Cancel7]

See, I believe there is an innate value of having all genocides acknowledged, regardless of political expediency. Besides this whole Machiavellian "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" meme is why this country is starting to suck.
Leaders that will lay down with any dog just to win short term gains need to get lost. Screw turkey, the truth is more important.

Did someone steal your password?

Asshat actually wrote something eloquent.

Does lying about the genocides of yesterday, help to enable genocides of today? I think the answer is yes, it does.

 

[Damocles]

70% of the American people no longer support this war.

The idea that the "troops are being screwed" is something you put out there, as if it were fact, but some of us disagree and feel that the troops are being screwed by being kept in Iraq, period. That in other words, you are screwing the troops, so give it a rest. Hiding behind "the troops", that is so last year.

The invasion of Iraq was against International law SF. Try and expand your mind a little bit beyond "the dems did it too". There's a whole world out there.

As I said, then get them out of there first, then have the 'genocide' vote. Don't make the area even more problematic first then attempt to say, "See? We can't keep our allies!" when it goes terribly bad. This is not a good idea at this time at all. If it wasn't good 20 years ago with a Dem Congress then it isn't a better one now.

 

[Damocles]

Blackwater seemed to get their Mercenaries the new armored personnle carriers over there before our troops got them anyway, so perhaps the Turkey route is not the right route.

They manufacture them there. They manufacture their own vehicle, it is not a HumVee.

 

[uscitizen]

They are on different continents. Geez.

Ohh I suppose there is a big ocean between them or something.
yeah Egypt and Israel are on different continents too, so what ?

 

[uscitizen]

They manufacture them there. They manufacture their own vehicle, it is not a HumVee.

I know it is not the humvee it is the thing that looks like it has a boat keel.
they manufacture them in Iraq ?
link please.

I recall reading about troops in Iraq seeing the mercs having them long before they started showing up for our own troops.

 

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See, I believe there is an innate value of having all genocides acknowledged, regardless of political expediency. Besides this whole Machiavellian "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" meme is why this country is starting to suck.
Leaders that will lay down with any dog just to win short term gains need to get lost. Screw turkey, the truth is more important.

SO? the fact is... this was already acknowledged over 23 years ago...

September 12, 1984

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Joint Resolution

To designate April 24, 1985, as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man".

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That April 24, 1985, is hereby designated as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man", and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923, and in whose memory this date is commemorated by all Armenians and their friends throughout the world.

Passed the House of Representatives September 10, 1984.
Attest: Benjamin J. Guthrie, Clerk. "

So tell me Asshat... why do we need to do it again?

 

[Cancel7]

As I said, then get them out of there first, then have the 'genocide' vote. Don't make the area even more problematic first then attempt to say, "See? We can't keep our allies!" when it goes terribly bad. This is not a good idea at this time at all. If it wasn't good 20 years ago with a Dem Congress then it isn't a better one now.

There's been a big grass roots movement over the past ten years, to apply pressure to Congress to pass this. They tried in the 90's, but failed because Hasert backed down to Clinton, it seems. For the same "they're an ally" bs.

But now, they have several highly placed members, Pelosi for one, who have large Armenian populations in their districts.

It might very well have been, now, or never.

 

[Damocles]

Ohh I suppose there is a big ocean between them or something.
yeah Egypt and Israel are on different continents too, so what ?

Take a Geography course. Seriously, this has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

 

[Cypress]

Ohh I suppose there is a big ocean between them or something.
yeah Egypt and Israel are on different continents too, so what ?

Turkey and Afghanistan are both in asia. C'mon guys. Basic geography. Only the small part of turkey across the bosperus (sp?) is in europe.

The pipeline I think you're thinking of USC, is the one from the Caspian oil fields, through turkey.

 

[Cancel7]

SO? the fact is... this was already acknowledged over 23 years ago...

September 12, 1984

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Joint Resolution

To designate April 24, 1985, as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man".

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That April 24, 1985, is hereby designated as "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man", and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923, and in whose memory this date is commemorated by all Armenians and their friends throughout the world.

Passed the House of Representatives September 10, 1984.
Attest: Benjamin J. Guthrie, Clerk. "

So tell me Asshat... why do we need to do it again?

I don't know, why don't you go investigate that further, because apparently the right wing website you lifted it from didn't bother to explain why, if this is the case, Bush I, Clinton, and G W refused to call it a genocide, and that is on record.

You tell us.

 

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Yep, does it cross part of Turkey ?
I am not sure at all , just looking for other reasons here. One thing I know about politics the most blatant reason for an action is seldom the real one.

Um... no. It goes through Turkemenistand, down through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Indian Ocean. I believe the goal is to pump gas down from the Caspian sea without having to go through Iran. (for obvious reasons)

For that pipeline to go through Turkey, it would have to jump the Caspian sea and go through Azerbajan to get to to Turkey.

The supply route is a primary reason to keep Turkey happy right now, the tension between the Turks and Kurds is the other.

 

[Damocles]

Turkey and Afghanistan are both in asia. C'mon guys. Basic geography. Only the small part of turkey across the bosperus (sp?) is in europe.

The pipeline I think you're thinking of USC, is the one from the Caspian oil fields, through turkey.

It is not the same pipeline as the one supposedly going through Afghanistan. Don't be an apologist for ignorance, Cypress. The nations are separated by quite literally thousands of miles of terrain and the oil fields the pipelines are supposedly feeding from are as well. The pipeline is not going to cross both of them as if they are neighbors.

The idea of it is preposterous if you know any Geography at all.

Turkhmenistan is NOT Turkey BTW, before you attempt to equate the two.

 

[Cypress]

It is not the same pipeline as the one supposedly going through Afghanistan. Don't be an apologist for ignorance, Cypress. The nations are separated by quite literally thousands of miles of terrain and the oil fields the pipelines are supposedly feeding from are as well. The pipeline is not going to cross both of them as if they are neighbors.

The idea of it is preposterous if you know any Geography at all.

Turkhmenistan is NOT Turkey BTW, before you attempt to equate the two.

You didn't read what I wrote. I didn't say it was the same one as the one going through afghanistan.