Atheist versus former atheist debate

Kamala Trump said:
that's an idiot's take on morality.

the real meaning is more specific.

  1. A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.
    "religious morality; Christian morality."
  2. Virtuous conduct.
    "commended his morality."
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Still is the conventions. You just worship God.
 
Hume said:
Still is the conventions. You just worship God.
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it's more than conventions.

that's vague.

you're destroying what words mean.

the truly moral thing might not be conventional at all.

and some conventions are just arbitrary and not about optimal individual behavior, like morality is.
 
Kamala Trump said:
it's more than conventions.

that's vague.

you're destroying what words mean.

the truly moral thing might not be conventional at all.

and some conventions are just arbitrary and not about optimal individual behavior, like morality is.
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Learn English grammar. I have no tolerance for your gibberish.
 
Into the Night said:
Yet...as you have already pointed out, the Catholic church has already done all of these; yet they claim a set of morals...obviously different than yours or mine.

So the question remains. What is universal about morals?
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Morals? The first thing Religion is about is we are all immoral sinners who need salvation!
 
Into the Night said:
Yet...as you have already pointed out, the Catholic church has already done all of these; yet they claim a set of morals...obviously different than yours or mine.

So the question remains. What is universal about morals?
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their hypocrisy doesn't change morality.

it just proves there are many corrupt hypocrites within the organization.
 
Mason 22 said:
Morals? The first thing Religion is about is we are all immoral sinners who need salvation!
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Nope. The first thing religion is about is some initial circular argument (also known as the Argument of Faith), and related arguments stemming from that. This is indeed the very definition of a religion. Note that religions do not need a god or gods (though most do).

That is true for Buddhism, Zen, Shinto (and related North American variants), the various fundamentalist churches pushed by the Democrat party such as the Church of Global Warming, Christianity, and of course...the Church of No God.

Several of these religions have no morals at all, particularly fundamentalist style religions, such as the Church of No God or the Church of Global Warming.

Now...concerning Christianity.

In it's simplest terms, Christianity's initial circular argument is that Jesus Christ exists, and that He is who He says He is, namely the son of God. ALL other arguments stem from that initial circular argument, or Argument of Faith.

Under that religion, God chose to create this beautiful Earth and place Man upon it (including Woman). He also gave Man power of free agency (the power to choose), but NOT the power to be free of the consequences of that choice.

Among the choices God gave Man is the power to leave God's presence and become independent, and to gain the ability to procreate. In this, Adam gave to his descendants the gift of his decision. This also brings death into the world.

Planned from the beginning, even from before the foundations of the Earth, God also provided a savior in Jesus Christ to restore the Earth and to once again provide a way past death. In Jesus Christ, all men live. They will be resurrected just as Christ was, and they will no longer suffer death for eternity.

But...what will that ability to live forever be like? Will be within the guidance of God and Jesus Christ that gave us these two great gifts, or will it be to reject them both and be locked forever from their presence?

As I said, God gave Man free agency, or the ability to choose, but we are NOT free of the consequences of that choice.

Satan's teaching is compulsion, no right to choose. That sounds like Democrats, doesn't it?
 
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Mason 22 said:
It was a test and a foreshadowing of Christ sacrifice
Abraham didn't sacrifice his son
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But God did. He did it to restore the Earth and provide a path for Man to return to God, despite Adam's decision. Adam sacrificed a lot to allow independence in the world. God sacrificed his Son to open a path back to the presence of God.

BOTH of these sacrifices are for our benefit.
 
Into the Night said:
So you argue the Catholic church leaders are immoral. Yes, they claim morals, which means you are also calling them liars.
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yes.

and I'm sure there are some good ones.

but when the bad ones are focused at the top it doesnt say good things about the org.

that doesn't mean morality doesn't exist.
 
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