Atheist versus former atheist debate

[Hume]

Ritual child sacrifice made perfect sense to many Bronze age societies, as did killing twins, abandoning weak babies, committing infanticide of female babies.

That's why I use the analogy of a fish not realizing it's swimming in water. The Judeo-Christian ethos has permeated western civilization for so long, over 2500 years, that you can't imagine the cultural ethos being significantly different.

Not familiar. Please site historians and anthropologists.

 

[Cypress]

Not familiar. Please site historians and anthropologists.

It's precisely because you grew up in a 2000 year old Judeo-Christian ethos that an aspirational moral standard like 'thou shall not murder/kill' seems like such elementary common sense to you that you've never questioned it.


Ritual Child Sacrifice in History

Child sacrifice - Wikipedia

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[Cypress]

Because some cultures considered twins to be bad omens, "twin infanticide was practised in many cultures throughout the world."

Unwelcome: The abominable twins

AbstractDuring the greater part of history, 0.4% of deliveries were monozygotic twins, and 0.3% (Japan) to 4% (Nigeria) were dizygotic twins. Due to their

academic.oup.com

 

[Litmus]

^^An intentionally evasive answer. List and describe precisely the organized moral commands in Genesis Book 1 that that have informed and guided western ethical values for 2000 years.


It's hard to believe you have never heard of the Decalogue, or the Sermon on the Mount. The moral law in the Christian and Hewbrew Bibles are highly organized and articulated.


But you knew exactly what I was talking about when you read it, so now you are just tap dancing and diverting. Jesus, Paul, and theologians routinely referred to Torah as the Law.


This post and the prior ones clearly demonstrate you know almost nothing about the Bible or Medieval European history. You should keep your pie hole shut on topics you are ignorant of, before confirming that ignorance in public.

the golden rule is the whole of the law.

it's a simple mental exercise.

put yourelf in the place of another.

otherwise known as empathy.

this is the foundation of Christianity as stated by Jesus.

do unto others ... is the WHOLE OF THE LAW,

your organized intentional masonic confusion aside.

 

[Cypress]

the golden rule is the whole of the law.

it's a simple mental exercise.

put yourelf in the place of another.

otherwise known as empathy.

this is the foundation of Christianity as stated by Jesus.

do unto others ... is the WHOLE OF THE LAW,

your organized intentional masonic confusion aside.

Since you have never read the bible or practiced Christianity, I'm sure it seems that simple to you.

You are good at following orders and just doing what your told.

For those who seek understanding and meaning, Jesus' parables, sermons, and teachings are powerful literary commentaries and justifications for living a certain kind of life.

 

[Litmus]

Since you have never read the bible or practiced Christianity, I'm sure it seems that simple to you.

You are good at following orders and just doing what your told.

For those who seek understanding and meaning, Jesus' parables, sermons, and teachings are powerful literary commentaries and justifications for living a certain kind of life.

I have done both.

Jesus's words carry meaning for me.

yes. it's a called a moral life.

and true morality is based on empathy as Jesus said.


you're the order follower who doesn't believe in free will.

Masonic Nazi cocksmoker traitor.

 

[Mason 22]

That wasn't the question I was asked. I was told that the ethos of Judeo-Christianty is just 'common sense' that was always practiced by humans since time immemorial. This is clearly false.

The Blood of the Passover Lamb is the beginning and the end of Christinity and Judaism!

 

[Hume]

It's precisely because you grew up in a 2000 year old Judeo-Christian ethos that an aspirational moral standard like 'thou shall not murder/kill' seems like such elementary common sense to you that you've never questioned it.


Ritual Child Sacrifice in History

Child sacrifice - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So, you are pretending to be ignorant of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son?

 

[Cypress]

So, you are pretending to be ignorant of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son?

Good, we're marking progress - you now recognize that murder and human sacrifice made perfect sense in many bronze age cultures, and your understanding of morality is based on the extant Axial age religions, which includes Judeo-Christianity.

Regarding your statement, the Jewish and Christian religions didn't even exist until long after Abraham, and the important part of that story is that no child sacrifice actually took place. The 'thou shall not kill' commandment came to Moses in the form of the Decalogue, around a thousand years after Abraham.

 

[Cypress]

I have done both.

Jesus's words carry meaning for me.

yes. it's a called a moral life.

and true morality is based on empathy as Jesus said.


you're the order follower who doesn't believe in free will.

Masonic Nazi cocksmoker traitor.

Your addiction to crack is confusing you. I have routinely stated I believe in free will and an objective moral truth humans are capable of discovering.

 

[Hume]

Good, we're marking progress - you now recognize that murder and human sacrifice made perfect sense in many bronze age cultures, and your understanding of morality is based on the extant Axial age religions, which includes Judeo-Christianity.

Regarding your statement, the Jewish and Christian religions didn't even exist until long after Abraham, and the important part of that story is that no child sacrifice actually took place. The 'thou shall not kill' commandment came to Moses in the form of the Decalogue, around a thousand years after Abraham.

I said it never made sense. I am saying your claim that no morality other than your conservative brand of Christianity exists is absurd.

 

[Hume]

Good, we're marking progress - you now recognize that murder and human sacrifice made perfect sense in many bronze age cultures, and your understanding of morality is based on the extant Axial age religions, which includes Judeo-Christianity.

Regarding your statement, the Jewish and Christian religions didn't even exist until long after Abraham, and the important part of that story is that no child sacrifice actually took place. The 'thou shall not kill' commandment came to Moses in the form of the Decalogue, around a thousand years after Abraham.

Really...I find religion boring. Probably should not talk to you.

 

[Cypress]

I said it never made sense. I am saying your claim that no morality other than your conservative brand of Christianity exists is absurd.

No, that's not what you said. You asked what societies allowed murder and rape.

What societies believe in rape and murder?

There definitely were Bronze Age societies that thought murder and ritual human sacrifice made perfect sense, in the context of their cultural values.

 

[Litmus]

Your addiction to crack is confusing you. I have routinely stated I believe in free will and an objective moral truth humans are capable of discovering.

so you're not anti-free will. good. many are. I was wrong about you on that one.

But i'm right on the simplicity of jesus's moral message.

you still a dumbass of wonkery and confusion on that one, oafish prat.

 

[Litmus]

I said it never made sense. I am saying your claim that no morality other than your conservative brand of Christianity exists is absurd.

right.

it never made sense.

there was always an underclass going "this is fucked up".

it was never moral sense by any standard. lying neocon masons think they know everything and speak for everyone at all times.

morality is rational.

those who claim it can only be religious are enemies of humanity, the dumbasses of division.

 

[Hume]

right.

it never made sense.

there was always an underclass going "this is fucked up".

it was never moral sense by any standard. lying neocon masons think they know everything and speak for everyone at all times.

morality is rational.

those who claim it can only be religious are enemies of humanity, the dumbasses of division.

Morality is just the conventions of a society.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Because some cultures considered twins to be bad omens, "twin infanticide was practised in many cultures throughout the world."

Unwelcome: The abominable twins

AbstractDuring the greater part of history, 0.4% of deliveries were monozygotic twins, and 0.3% (Japan) to 4% (Nigeria) were dizygotic twins. Due to their

academic.oup.com

That's simple ignorance.

Same for primitive cultures sacrificing others to appease the Gods.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Morality is just the conventions of a society.

True, but some conventions are necessary for society to exist.

You wouldn't want to be raped by whoever was bigger and felt like it would you? Murdered and robbed?

Societies break down when people see no upside to belonging to them. Look that the Jews running from Germany in the 1930s. Look at those in Haiti seeking to flee anywhere people will take them. The same for the Syrians.

 

[Litmus]

Morality is just the conventions of a society.

that's an idiot's take on morality.

the real meaning is more specific.

1. A system or collection of ideas of right and wrong conduct.
   "religious morality; Christian morality."
2. Virtuous conduct.
   "commended his morality."

 

[Litmus]

True, but some conventions are necessary for society to exist.

You wouldn't want to be raped by whoever was bigger and felt like it would you? Murdered and robbed?

Societies break down when people see no upside to belonging to them. Look that the Jews running from Germany in the 1930s. Look at those in Haiti seeking to flee anywhere people will take them. The same for the Syrians.

this is the attack on our society from the anti-moral coalition.

they're causing our society to breakdown by destroying the morality and just plain importing lots of criminal predators to take advantage.