Atheist versus former atheist debate

[Cypress]

What societies believe in rape and murder?

Ritual child sacrifice made perfect sense to many Bronze age societies, as did killing twins, abandoning weak babies, committing infanticide of female babies.

That's why I use the analogy of a fish not realizing it's swimming in water. The Judeo-Christian ethos has permeated western civilization for so long, over 2500 years, that you can't imagine the cultural ethos being significantly different.

 

[Litmus]

I see. God causes morality. How boring.

I didn't say that at all.

apparently reading isn't a strong skill for you.


I'm always saying morality is rational.

this offends the masons who want to keep morality crazy and religious so there's always war.

 

[Litmus]

war profiteers are trying to stop humanity from achieving peace through rationality.

fuck those guys.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Didn't say anything about Carter's job performance, it was about his decency as a human -- but thanks for tacitly agreeing that Jimmy Carter is universally admired for aspiring to the values of the New testament, while your tangerine messiah is universally acknowledged as an amoral sleazebag

one Demmycrat does not change the party.....remember, Trump is true to his roots.........that "amoral sleazebag'" came to us from your party......

 

[Litmus]

Ritual child sacrifice made perfect sense to many Bronze age societies, as did killing twins, abandoning weak babies, committing infanticide of female babies.

That's why I use the analogy of a fish not realizing it's swimming in water. The Judeo-Christian ethos has permeated western civilization for so long, over 2500 years, that you can't imagine the cultural ethos being significantly different.

I bet it only ever made sense to the elites of the society.

the mass murder control freaks.

I bet there were more populist factions in the tribe who spoke the truth, just like always.

 

[Mason 22]

Outside of Homo Sapiens, the entire Hominid genus was basically an evolutionary failure. And our species itself came close to being wiped out 85k years ago, during the events of the genetic bottleneck. None of the other hominid species survived more that a few hundred thousand years. Maybe Homo Erectus lasted over one million years. Sharks, dragonflies, and centipedes have been around for 400 million years

But, you might be right, and I wouldn't be totally shocked to be wrong, and that advanced technologically capable intelligence is ubiquitous wherever life gets a toe hold. We just don't have enough data to say.

If I was to hazard a guess I would bet modern man ,wiped out any hominid species somewhere along the line. Similar to the Nazis attempt to destroy the Jews.

 

[Mason 22]

one Demmycrat does not change the party.....remember, Trump is true to his roots.........that "amoral sleazebag'" came to us from your party......

How does a Confirmed Christian support a convicted felon,who isn't remotely a believer but merely uses the idiot evangical supporters?

 

[Litmus]

How does a Confirmed Christian support a convicted felon,who isn't remotely a believer but merely uses the idiot evangical supporters?

IF you don't support trump, you ain't Christian.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

IF you don't support trump, you ain't Christian.

^^^
Believes Trump is the Orange Jesus.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

How does a Confirmed Christian support a convicted felon,who isn't remotely a believer but merely uses the idiot evangical supporters?

They don't. Only Satan's minions support a lying, adulterous pedophile and convicted felon to lead them.

 

[Cypress]

If I was to hazard a guess I would bet modern man ,wiped out any hominid species somewhere along the line. Similar to the Nazis attempt to destroy the Jews.

It would be easy to blame everything on Homo Sapiens, but Homo Erectus went extinct in southeast Asia well before Homo Sapiens reached that part of the world.

 

[Cypress]

I bet it only ever made sense to the elites of the society.

the mass murder control freaks.

I bet there were more populist factions in the tribe who spoke the truth, just like always.

I am sure the children themselves did not want to be ritually sacrificed.

There is no evidence of civil rebellions by the Cannanities, the Phoenicians, the Aztecs, the Carthaginians to stop the practice of human sacrifice. Sacrificing children was an accepted part of their ritual religion and it seems to have made sense to them. Certain bronze age societies would kill identical twins because they were considered a bad omen. There is no evidence this sparked moral outrage and rebellion.

 

[Litmus]

I am sure the children themselves did not want to be ritually sacrificed.

There is no evidence of civil rebellions by the Cannanities, the Phoenicians, the Aztecs, the Carthaginians to stop the practice of human sacrifice. Sacrificing children was an accepted part of their ritual religion and it seems to have made sense to them. Certain bronze age societies would kill identical twins because they were considered a bad omen. There is no evidence this sparked moral outrage.

no evidence of civil rebellions?

you're very moronic.

just because you can't find whatever bullshit you think proves something you assume the opposite. you're stupid as fuck.

being a human you should know there's always dissent, no matter what totalitarianism you've brainwashed yourself with.

 

[Cypress]

no evidence of civil rebellions?

you're very moronic.

just because you can't find whatever bullshit you think proves something you assume the opposite. you're stupid as fuck.

being a human you should know there's always dissent, no matter what totalitarianism you've brainwashed yourself with.

Your free to believe there was widespread moral outrage and protest against ritual child sacrifice in Bronze Age societies.

I think putting a high value on human life took centuries and millenium of persuasion and reflection. Which to some extent is attributable to the prophets, philosophers, and sages of antiquity and the spiritual movements they were associated with.

It's difficult for you to imagine any other cultural ethos because the Judeo Christian ethos has been so pervasive and embedded in society for so !ong. You are like a fish who doesn't even realize you're swimming in water.

 

[Litmus]

Your free to believe there was widespread moral outrage against ritual child sacrifice in Bronze Age societies.

I think putting a high value on human life took centuries and millenium of persuasion and reflection. Which to some extent is attributable to the prophets, philosophers, and sages of antiquity and the spiritual movements they were associated with.

It's difficult for you to imagine any other cultural ethos because the Hudson Christian ethos has been so pervasive and embedded in society for so !ong.

ok weasel word game dipshit.

regular people have always put a premium on life; psychotic tyrants are the ones who didn't and don't.

and you've let the criminal class shit in your mind, all just to be a hangaround who gets fucked in the ass.

 

[Litmus]

and as for your Hudson whatever bullshit.....

iM actually a Buddhist who finds christianity to contain the closest western approximation of my general beliefs.

you're the one who insists morality comes from yaldabaoth and Moses the Egyptian.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't really think "enlightenment" as our 21st century minds would recognize it really occurred until the 19th century.

Nor can any of us expect to personally see it occur again.
A semi-literate society glued to its mobile phones is the modern equivalent to the last dark age.
Then, it was "Bring out your dead."
Now it's, "Why is everybody fucking brain dead?"

 

[Litmus]

Nor can any of us expect to personally see it occur again.
A semi-literate society glued to its mobile phones is the modern equivalent to the last dark age.
Then, it was "Bring out your dead."
Now it's, "Why is everybody fucking brain dead?"

yes.

and it's mostly Dems who believe in sending all the jobs away, stopping the food supply chain, and sterilizing the children.....

 

[Into the Night]

Debate between Richard Dawkins, high priest of the New Atheism, versus an erstwhile New Atheist colleague Ayann Hirsi Ali who converted to Christianity


Summary:

"Richard Dawkins claim is that we have rational humanism to offer as an antidote to not just Islam but all forms of religious delusion. Dawkins asks is faith merely a comforting fantasy for those not brave enough to face the 'blind, pitiless indifference' that lies, in Dawkins’ view, at the foundations of reality? Dawkins, it seems, believes that this is the choice on offer: truth or comfort. And he has chosen truth."

Ayaan Hirsi Ali: "I would not be truthful if I attributed my embrace of Christianity solely to the realization that atheism is too weak and divisive a doctrine to fortify us against our menacing foes (radical Islamisism, etc.). I have also turned to Christianity because I ultimately found life without any spiritual solace unendurable — indeed very nearly self-destructive. Atheism failed to answer a simple question: What is the meaning and purpose of life? Of course, I still have a great deal to learn about Christianity. But I have recognized, in my own long journey through a wilderness of fear and self-doubt, that there is a better way to manage the challenges of existence than either Islam or unbelief had to offer.”

https://www.premierunbelievable.com...irsi-ali-the-clash-of-our-times/17772.article

Richard Dawkins is not an atheist.
The Church of No God is a fundamentalist style religion.

 

[Into the Night]

To the secular person like myself,
a creator god makes no sense whatsoever.

If a god is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and all-loving,
It MAKES NO LOGICAL SENSE WHATEVER
for such a deity to create an imperfect universe in which any serious suffering at all exists.

At the very least. such a deity would obviously not be either just or all-loving
and certainly not worthy of being worshipped.

Beyond that, however,
why would humanity even imagine such a deity?
What even suggests it?

What is imperfect about the universe?

You should probably read the Bible at some point.