Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged (Movie)

[Damocles]

Communism is the ultimate in conservative ideology.

Revolutionaries are not conservatives. Lenin/Stalin built that government, they didn't "conserve" it. It's strangely absent from your history books somehow, but it is reality. They were leftist totalitarians and killed a great many people.

 

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Yep, we make up rights off the top of our head and declare them inviolable. Just like libertarians. That's the politics of our nation: argument via declaration.

Not really. We follow the same basic guiding principle. We have the right to all we create and toil over. Whether that be the labors of our mind, the labors of our words, or the labors of our hands. All rights therefore are property rights, and the subversion of one kind of property in the end reduces the right to all property. Therefore the right to property is ultimately the only right.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

the reason leftists love jefferson quotes are his diehard convictions on individual rights. what they refuse to acknowledge was how his views changed once he became president.

An individual human being is an idiot. Put a random child in any environment alone without a society and see what great works they accomplish. Humans are only useful at all together, in a collective. It's like with ants - an individual ant roams blindly, acts stupidly. Some will spend months pulling a twig one way while another pulls it the other. Collectively, they do incredible things, sometimes even things that human engineers would find difficult, such as building ventilation systems, or predicting when the monsoon rains will come on and building to prevent their colony from being wiped out.

Conservatives want us to go back to the nature of the apes, ignorant beasts, kill or be killed, pissing on territory and claiming it as their own. They want to abolish society and have us live as ignorant animals. This is why they must be cleansed.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I see someone is outta drugs.

Nah, just tired.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

That's true, mother Russia wasn't the best place to be Jewish during the pogroms. That said, Lenin and the vast majority of the Bolsheviks were Jews, Lenin spoke Yiddish fluently and was nearly assassinated by a Jewess. He also condemned anti-Semitism as a state crime, and accepted all of the Revolution's money he could get from Jews in the banking business including Jacob Schiff of the Guaranty National Bank in America.

The vast majority of Bolsheviks? Not sure if that's true.

One of Hitler's main points against the Jews was that a lot of them seemed to be communists. The terms "Jew" and "Bolshevik" were used almost interchangeably during his regime. I think this also comes from Nietshze's comparison of the "Jewish-Christian" slave morality and Master morality, since Hitler was influenced by Nietshze.

 

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The vast majority of Bolsheviks? Not sure if that's true.

One of Hitler's main points against the Jews was that a lot of them seemed to be communists. The terms "Jew" and "Bolshevik" were used almost interchangeably during his regime. I think this also comes from Nietshze's comparison of the "Jewish-Christian" slave morality and Master morality, since Hitler was influenced by Nietshze.

Nietzsche never wrote anything like that. His Nazi sister edited all his works to make them more 'anti jew' after his death.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I liked the book.....Rand's a typcial Russian novelist though. Why say in one word what can be said over and over and over again in 10,000 words. I liked The Fountainhead too but it was one of the worst movies I ever saw in my life. What will the do about John Galts speech to keep it under 17 hours?

He gives his plans to someone, becomes infuriated when they aren't built like Ayn Rand's dream architecture, the isolation cell, and then responds by endangering the lives of others in pursuit of his idiotic megalomania and blowing it up. Afterwards, he gives a long speech, at which point he is declared insane against his will (not possible in the legal system), and is, confusingly, not remanded to a mental hospital, as the insanity defense would mandate, but simply released. Also, he's a rapist. One day, I am going to make a game that consists of just killing this guy over and over again.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Oh that's funny. Rand does make some valid philosophical points.

No she doesn't. One of the few things nearly every philosopher (as opposed to armchair philosopher ^^^^^^) agrees on is that Ayn Rand's work has no validity. She does not make points, she begs the question, and declares. She implicitly assumes things to be true and berates you if you refuse to accept this as valid.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

She is correct on her attack on dialectic philosophy which is the keystone of modern socialism.

Nothing is correct.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Nietzsche never wrote anything like that. His Nazi sister edited all his works to make them more 'anti jew' after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_morality

Master-Slave morality was a big part of Nietzshe's work. Nietzshe was an inspiration to Nazism, but that doesn't mean that Nietschze was a blatant anti-semite (he does condemn anti-semitism) or that he would've approved of all that the Nazi's did. A lot of Nietzshe's work just isn't very clear, and you can interpret anything you want out of it.

 

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The vast majority of Bolsheviks? Not sure if that's true.

One of Hitler's main points against the Jews was that a lot of them seemed to be communists. The terms "Jew" and "Bolshevik" were used almost interchangeably during his regime. I think this also comes from Nietshze's comparison of the "Jewish-Christian" slave morality and Master morality, since Hitler was influenced by Nietshze.

I will clarify by saying that I implied that the vast majority of Bolshevik leaders were Jews, a fact that seems to have been conveniently airbrushed from history. iT is also true that there was a disproportionate number of Jews in the Cheka, the Bolshevik secret police.

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."14
The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."15
"The Bolshevik Revolution," declared a leading American Jewish community paper in 1920, "was largely the product of Jewish thinking, Jewish discontent, Jewish effort to reconstruct."16
As an expression of its radically anti-nationalist character, the fledgling Soviet government issued a decree a few months after taking power that made anti-Semitism a crime in Russia. The new Communist regime thus became the first in the world to severely punish all expressions of anti-Jewish sentiment.17 Soviet officials apparently regarded such measures as indispensable. Based on careful observation during a lengthy stay in Russia, American-Jewish scholar Frank Golder reported in 1925 that "because so many of the Soviet leaders are Jews anti-Semitism is gaining [in Russia], particularly in the army [and] among the old and new intelligentsia who are being crowded for positions by the sons of Israel."18

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.ihr.org/

The site you're referencing. The "Institute for Historical Review". Hmmmm....

"Historical review".... "Jews".... "Germany".... what does this remind me of? What could that name possibly be a reference to? Revision of what key event in history? Germans? Jews? Oh well, nothing springs to mind.

 

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http://www.ihr.org/

The site you're referencing. The "Institute for Historical Review". Hmmmm....

"Historical review".... "Jews".... "Germany".... what does this remind me of? What could that name possibly be a reference to? Revision of what key event in history? Germans? Jews? Oh well, nothing springs to mind.

On further research they are probably not the best source to use. Time to roll out Winston Churchill, here is an article he wrote in 1920 for the Illustrated Sunday Herald.

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek -- all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Ayn Rand is anti-human. Her works should be banned, and her progeny should be executed to set an example to others.

Well....I hate to dissapoint you.....she didn't have any progeny. Probably cause she was but ugly.....like you.

 

[Bfgrn]

Not really. We follow the same basic guiding principle. We have the right to all we create and toil over. Whether that be the labors of our mind, the labors of our words, or the labors of our hands. All rights therefore are property rights, and the subversion of one kind of property in the end reduces the right to all property. Therefore the right to property is ultimately the only right.

"You maintain, gentlemen, that the German economy must be constructed on the basis of private property. Now such a conception of private property can only be maintained in practice if it in some way appears to have a logical foundation. This conception must derive its ethical justification from the insight that this is what nature dictates."
Adolf Hitler speaking to a group of industrialists in Düsseldorf in 1932


There is but one law for all, namely that law which governs all law, the law of our Creator, the law of humanity, justice, equity - the law of nature and of nations.
Edmund Burke

 

[Bfgrn]

Well there was that and growing up in the USSR.

Rand claimed to have created herself with the help of no one, even though she was the lifelong beneficiary of social democratic largesse. She got a college education thanks to the Russian Revolution, which opened universities to women and Jews and, once the Bolsheviks had seized power, made tuition free.

 

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Rand claimed to have created herself with the help of no one, even though she was the lifelong beneficiary of social democratic largesse. She got a college education thanks to the Russian Revolution, which opened universities to women and Jews and, once the Bolsheviks had seized power, made tuition free.

Did you honestly just call the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics a social democracy? Please enlighten me as to the democracy that was involved in the USSR. Other than that exercised by the Politburo.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Did you honestly just call the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics a social democracy? Please enlighten me as to the democracy that was involved in the USSR. Other than that exercised by the Politburo.

There were some good reforms made in the early USSR, before Stalin took over and pretty much universally reversed all of them. But they also had censorship and mass killings of political enemies. "Social Democracy" obviously wouldn't be a good term for what they did.

 

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There were some good reforms made in the early USSR, before Stalin took over and pretty much universally reversed all of them. But they also had censorship and mass killings of political enemies. "Social Democracy" obviously wouldn't be a good term for what they did.

Well to play DA, if it weren't for Stalin basically forcing a rapid industrialization Russia never would have become the power that it was/is today.