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Cypress said:
Alcohol or crack cocaine must be involved somehow
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False. You're just a miserable Jesus-hating moron with very limited vision. :dunno:
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^^^
Matt is drunk again. He's always belligerent when he has a snootful. Sad.

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Can Alcohol Provoke Anger, Aggression, and Violence?

The “angry drunk” is a stereotype, but there is an association between anger and alcohol. Drinking alcohol can worsen aggression, especially in some people.
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"Alcohol is involved in half of all murders, rapes, and assaults," said Robert O. Pihl, professor of psychology and psychiatry at McGill University. "But the dynamics of this association are complicated, which is why any research that focuses on explaining this relationship is important for society in general."

This article discusses some of the facts behind the stereotype of the "angry drunk" and explores the connection between anger and alcohol.
 
Matt Dillon said:
I call out shitbags like Jesus did. Shitbag!
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Dutch Uncle said:
Wilson set the tone for US intervention in wars affecting our national security and economy. Notice that Truman continued to response without blinking an eye. IMO, the War Department briefings clearly laid out the "what ifs" and the consequences of failing to act.

Consider that Obama ran on a promise to get out of Afghanistan and close GITMO. After being seated he did neither and, in fact, the surge. Why? Same reason, the Joint Chiefs of Staff laid out for him, including all the classified stuff, the consequences of various actions.

While the President is, as GW put it, "the Decider", the office of the President is an institution with a large network providing information. Trump blew a lot that off when he was in the White House and, as #elonald, appears to be ready to do it again. The Panama Canal thing is just one example of him going off the rails. The British government is no different. Notice that dictators, be they Hitler, Assad or Putin, don't take input from a large staff. They do what they feel like doing which is exactly what Donnie wants to do.

Would you suggest that Donnie came along at the "exact right moment"? I wouldn't and do not believe you would either. It's just the way it works out.

There's a synergistic effect to well supported democratic institutions that do not exist in dictatorships. Note how fucked up Russia, North Korea and Syria has become. The cracks are beginning to show in Iran's conservative and theocratic government. Same for China although their system and culture do exist on a slightly different plane.
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Good points

I think 1917 and 1940 were pivotal moments in world history in a way that 2016 and 2024 don't appear to be.

The general sense in Europe and North America in 1940 was isolationism, appeasement, or accommodation. It was the rare individual who was thinking about fighting on to an unconditional surrender of the enemy, let alone someone who had the vision, authority, and charisma to pull it off

Somehow we got both Churchill and FDR at the same time, when plenty of less capable politicians in 1940 couldn't see a path to total unconditional victory, and would have been happy just to reach some kind of compromise with Nazi Germany.
 
Cypress said:
Good points

I think 1917 and 1940 were pivotal moments in world history in a way that 2016 and 2024 don't appear to be.

The general sense in Europe and North America in 1940 was isolationism, appeasement, or accommodation. It was the rare individual who was thinking about fighting on to an unconditional surrender of the enemy, let alone someone who had the vision, authority, and charisma to pull it off

Somehow we got both Churchill and FDR at the same time, when plenty of less capable politicians in 1940 couldn't see a path to total unconditional victory, and would have been happy just to reach some kind of compromise with Nazi Germany.
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It goes back even further; would America allowing itself to be involved in two European wars have even happened if Lincoln hadn't violated the Constitution by attacking the Southern states? Wasn't the 3/5s Clause created to imply the support for slavery thus the compromise that allowed the 13 colonies to stay united after the Revolution? Without the US intervention in WWI would WWII even have happened by ending the dispute too soon in 1918? Conversely, without the US after WWII, would the highly controversial Marshall Plan have happened?

There's a lot of what ifs, but, it's all connected as one of my favorite television shows pointed out. While the show is mainly about technology, the same approach can be applied to major political decisions throughout history and how they "were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects" of the modern world.

Several foreigners on JPP attack the US based upon the actions in the past, but history isn't as simple as they choose to see it. Same goes for all of American JPP political extremists and conspiracy theorists. Things do happen for a reason, but not because of divine intervention. They happen because of a series of events came together to produce, with varying odds, certain results.

Example, if the political rhetoric becomes heated and violent, it's not rocket science to expect that heated exchanges and violence will happen.

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Connections (British TV series) - Wikipedia

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It took an interdisciplinary approach to the history of science and invention, and demonstrated how various discoveries, scientific achievements, and historical world events were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects of modern technology.

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Connections​

 
Cypress said:
I think invoking miracles have to be pretty far down the list of explanations.
I do tend to think there is something to fate. How is it we got both Churchill and FDR at the exact right moment, in the face of isolationism in the US and appeasement in the UK?
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Russian winter hitting two months early during Hitler's invasion ! Dumb luck? Or intelligent design? Someone pulling strings?
 
Cypress said:
Good points

I think 1917 and 1940 were pivotal moments in world history in a way that 2016 and 2024 don't appear to be.

The general sense in Europe and North America in 1940 was isolationism, appeasement, or accommodation. It was the rare individual who was thinking about fighting on to an unconditional surrender of the enemy, let alone someone who had the vision, authority, and charisma to pull it off

Somehow we got both Churchill and FDR at the same time, when plenty of less capable politicians in 1940 couldn't see a path to total unconditional victory, and would have been happy just to reach some kind of compromise with Nazi Germany.
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Joe Kennedy was all about compromising with Hitler!
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It goes back even further; would America allowing itself to be involved in two European wars have even happened if Lincoln hadn't violated the Constitution by attacking the Southern states? Wasn't the 3/5s Clause created to imply the support for slavery thus the compromise that allowed the 13 colonies to stay united after the Revolution? Without the US intervention in WWI would WWII even have happened by ending the dispute too soon in 1918? Conversely, without the US after WWII, would the highly controversial Marshall Plan have happened?

There's a lot of what ifs, but, it's all connected as one of my favorite television shows pointed out. While the show is mainly about technology, the same approach can be applied to major political decisions throughout history and how they "were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects" of the modern world.

Several foreigners on JPP attack the US based upon the actions in the past, but history isn't as simple as they choose to see it. Same goes for all of American JPP political extremists and conspiracy theorists. Things do happen for a reason, but not because of divine intervention. They happen because of a series of events came together to produce, with varying odds, certain results.

Example, if the political rhetoric becomes heated and violent, it's not rocket science to expect that heated exchanges and violence will happen.

en.wikipedia.org

Connections (British TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
It took an interdisciplinary approach to the history of science and invention, and demonstrated how various discoveries, scientific achievements, and historical world events were built from one another successively in an interconnected way to bring about particular aspects of modern technology.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078588/

Connections​

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Still supporting Slavery and Jefferson Davis! And Southern Treason I see!
 
Mason 22 said:
Russian winter hitting two months early during Hitler's invasion ! Dumb luck? Or intelligent design? Someone pulling strings?
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Even Eisenhower privately thought we should have allowed Germany and Japan to compromise for terms on a conditional surrender, rather than getting American soldiers killed to achieve the goal of a total victory and unconditional surrender.

Some people seem to be just fated to play a unique role in world history, and somehow we got that at the right time with Churchill and FDR.
 
Cypress said:
Even Eisenhower privately thought we should have allowed Germany and Japan to compromise for terms on a conditional surrender, rather than getting American soldiers killed to achieve the goal of a total victory and unconditional surrender.

Some people seem to be just fated to play a unique role in world history, and somehow we got that at the right time with Churchill and FDR.
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If people are fated, then that negates the theory of free will. We can't have free will if we have predetermined fates.

Looking at the Fourth Dimension, Time, everything that will happen has happened. We just haven't experienced it yet doesn't negate our choices in getting there. What a person chooses to do is up to them even if what they chose to do can be seen by a time traveler.
 
Cypress said:
One doesn't have to accept a miraculous virgin birth narrative to be open to the possibility that certain individuals are fated to be agents of providential or transcendental authority. A miraculous virgin birth didn't seem to matter to Christians of the first century prior to the appearance of the Gospel of Matthew.
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Jesus can't be divine YHWH incarnate in the flesh without
Isaiah 7:14! No either or on that! No sitting on the fence
 
Cypress said:
Even Eisenhower privately thought we should have allowed Germany and Japan to compromise for terms on a conditional surrender, rather than getting American soldiers killed to achieve the goal of a total victory and unconditional surrender.

Some people seem to be just fated to play a unique role in world history, and somehow we got that at the right time with Churchill and FDR.
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Did Ike feel this way before or after 12/7/41? Revelation 12:7!
 
Margot said:
Did Ike feel this way before or after 12/7/41? Revelation 12:7!
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I've read that even in 1944 and 1945 Eisenhower privately thought it would be wise to consider negotiating terms for a conditional surrender of Germany and Japan, rather than getting ever more Americans killed for the goal of total victory, unconditional surrender, and military occupation. But he was under orders to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve total victory and he did his job well.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
If people are fated, then that negates the theory of free will. We can't have free will if we have predetermined fates.

Looking at the Fourth Dimension, Time, everything that will happen has happened. We just haven't experienced it yet doesn't negate our choices in getting there. What a person chooses to do is up to them even if what they chose to do can be seen by a time traveler.
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I don't think fate and destiny prevents the free will of choice. Churchill could have made different choices, but he was drawn to a vision of unrelenting resistance and total British victory over Nazi Germany, even when others thought total victory was a pipe dream and an accommodation with Hitler was Britain's best option.

I can't think of any law of biology, evolution, genetics that would dictate the destiny and fate of Siddhartha Gautama, Confucius, Ghandi, Jesus. I am open to the possibility that something other than known biological or physical laws draw certain rare and unique individuals to a type of unprecedented fate or destiny which sweeps humanity along with them.
 
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