Birth Right Citizenship Will It Finally End?

[Into the Night]

You have to make a decision, are they subject to legal jurisdiction or not.

They are not. They are illegal aliens. They've committed a crime. They are subject to deportation. They are not citizens. Neither are any offspring they might have while here.

 

[Into the Night]

Hey dipshit, the Supreme Court will likely decide to hear arguments to determine if Trump's EO is constitutional or not. If they side with Trump's stance, that'll be that, unless the libtards can somehow muster the support to amend the Constitution, which would take a 2/3 vote in Congress and ratification by 38 states. Flip side, if they rule against Trump, the same applies. So, in the end, it all boils down to how the SC interprets the law with the new arguments on the table.

The Supreme Court has no authority over the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. It does not work that way. The Constitution is clear and the amendment is codified. There is a process for amendments. The Constitution is the law. Hey dumb shit, you should learn something sometime. So far you have resisted.

Irrelevance fallacy. No amendment proposal is active right now.
NOTHING in the Constitution magickally confers citizenship to an illegal alien or any offspring they may have.

 

[Into the Night]

Compare the power of an EO against a Constitutional Amendment. Even if that exercise is beyond you, the Supremes will understand it. You are profoundly and proudly ignorant.

Irrelevance fallacy. There is no active amendments proposed to the Constitution.

 

[Into the Night]

I doubt it. They will probably let a lower court hear it, and let the lower courts injunction against it stand. There is no need for them to get involved.


Not exactly "new"; it has been laughed out of court every time it was tried.

No court has any authority over the Constitution, Wally.

 

[Diesel]

The absurd interpretation of the 14th amendment is finally being challenged. The left loves to argue that it's clear the following Amendment somehow says that birth rights citizenship is clearly stated in our Constitution.

Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Those words in bold are the ones that the left argue somehow translate to those who enter America ILLEGALLY and drop an infant on our soil should automatically be citizens. Section 1 was to leave no ambiguity about the rights for blacks to become citizens. The democrat activist SC Libtards had sided with Sanford in the case Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) in which the democrat appointed Chief Justice Roger B. Taney spewed typical drone drivel:

1. That African Americans, free or enslaved, were not and could not be citizens of the United States under the Constitution, which meant they had no rights that white men were bound to respect.
2. That the Missouri Compromise, which prohibited slavery in certain U.S. territories, was unconstitutional.

Republicans fighting racist policies didn't just start a few years ago. This also proves that the Supreme Court always fails America when it deviates from the true meaning of our brilliant Constitution. It's amazing how many things change yet stay the same.

I also love that last sentence, do the EPA rules and restrictions constitute due process? I don't think so, I'd like someone explain how it does. If the zealots with un-elected powers can and do make ridiculous rules that have severe impacts on ones private property rights, what real recourse does that property owners have? That's a bit off subject at the moment other than it points out how convoluted Libtard thinking is.

You galactically stupid fucktard. You have never taken a constitutional law class in your entire life. I can tell.

I'm not going to waste my time explaining the context of the 14th Amendment to you because you won't be able to understand it, but just consider that the amendment was ratified in 1868.

Do tell us what you plan to do with children who were born in the US of parents who were undocumented immigrants.

 

[Tobytone]

The Supreme Court has no authority over the Constitution.

I assume you're just pointing out a fact?

 

[Diesel]

Well done! Another point I don't believe was noted in your reply is that a Mexican crossing the border already has allegiance to their country, therefore cannot have sole allegiance to ours.

I would also add that there are no other countries with similar birthright citizenship laws, with the exception of a long list of shitholes nobody would ever want to escape to. None of the countries on that list are having problems with people attempting to cross their borders for citizenship. Canada is the closest, but let's be real, who wants to move to a solid block of ice full of woke libtards? Should we allow them to become the 51st state, we'll have to work on changing that, of course.

How many of these "shitholes" have you visited, you white trash piece of shit?

Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Child, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tanzania, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, the United States, Uruguay, and Venezuela

 

[Tobytone]

How many of these "shitholes" have you visited, you white trash piece of shit?

Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Child, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tanzania, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, the United States, Uruguay, and Venezuela

Excuse me, White?

 

[Bigdog]

It would only end with a constitutional amendment.

If you can end birthright citizenship without an amendment, you can ban gun ownership.

Arsecheese was too cowardly to respond to this, maybe you will ...

The legal issue is why were the words AND SUBJECT TO added. Why is this an additional requirement? Why isn't just being born here ... Enough!?

"Section 1.All persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, "

 

[Diesel]

Yep, not under the jurisdiction of a foreign nation.

It has been misinterpreted. It does not grant birth citizenship. Mark Levine covered it in detail, tonight, from Dred Scott to the last case in 1898.

Oh my fucking gawd. The MAGAts are relying on, supporting, and reverting to Dred Scott v. Motherfucking Sandford.

These are literal Nazis, y'all. Do not let a Trump supporter into your house.

 

[Into the Night]

Native Americans were seen as sort of foreigners in the 1800's. They were expected to have their own government, and were not allowed to be punished under our laws.

They certainly were, Wally!

The US Government would make treaties with them, like they were foreign countries.

They still are, Wally!

But they were also considered native to America,

There is no country called 'America', Wally. America is a continent, divided into North, Central, and South America.

so they were seen as not foreign.

Indians are under their own jurisdiction, Wally.

They were allowed to freely pass over borders.

Not always, Wally!!

In fact, some tribes still have an absolute right to cross over borders. That is a right that even US Citizens do not have.

Today any indian can cross the border from his tribal land to the State or back again, Wally!

In the 1900's they started to push the idea of "killing the Indian to save the man."

DEMOCRATS!

It was brutal, but not as brutal as it sounds.

It was brutal, racist, and cruel. It was caused by DEMOCRATS!

It involved turning Native Americans into just Americans.

Native Americans are already Americans, Wally.

Their cultures were supposed to be destroyed, and they would just be like anyone else.

Again...DEMOCRATS.

With that, the government started enforcing laws against them, trying to get rid of the reservations, but also giving them citizenship rights...

The reservations still exist, Wally. It is DEMOCRATS that created them and forced the indians to live on them in poverty!

Sadly usually not allowing them to vote or have many other citizenship rights. This was still "Separate But Equal" America where racism was the norm.

That was DEMOCRATS, Wally.

Indians are subject to the jurisdiction of their tribes and confederations. They are ALSO citizens of the United States.

If you're going to talk about the indians, at least learn their history first!

 

[Jarod]

Arsecheese was too cowardly to respond to this, maybe you will ...

The legal issue is why were the words AND SUBJECT TO added. Why is this an additional requirement? Why isn't just being born here ... Enough!?

"Section 1.All persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, "

Because, at that time there were Indian reservations where certain people were not subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government. There are still today diplomats who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and neither are their children.

Clearly today, anyone born here (other than diplomats) is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, otherwise we could not arrest them if they committed federal crimes.

I know you are not dumb, why do you not know this basic 6th grade stuff?

We can debate if it is good policy or not, but to change it would require a constitutional amendment.

 

[Bigdog]

Oh my fucking gawd. The MAGAts are relying on, supporting, and reverting to Dred Scott v. Motherfucking Sandford.

These are literal Nazis, y'all. Do not let a Trump supporter into your house.

STFU, nazi lib.


Why isn't JUST being born here ... Enough!?

"Section 1.All persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, "

 

[Diesel]

Excuse me, White?

Did I stutter, cracker?

 

[Diesel]

STFU, nazi lib.


Why isn't JUST being born here ... Enough!?

"Section 1.All persons born ... in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, "

Fuck you, you disgusting racist pile of pig shit. You just cited a court case that declared that Black people are not citizens. You should be shot in the fucking head.

 

[Into the Night]

There would be a major problem. Without jurisdiction, you cannot convict criminals, and you cannot restrict people from crossing the border.

Illegal aliens are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They have committed a crime in the United States and are subject to deportation.

Ever hear of Peter Gatien? Gatien was a Canadian who owned nightclubs in the USA. He was arrested for a whole series of drug distribution charges, but was finally only plead guilty to felony tax evasion. The prosecutors figured that a felony conviction would bar him for life from the USA.

Such would have broken multiple laws, and is subject to imprisonment.

They forgot that the non jurisdiction rights of some Native American tribes were enshrined in treaty.

There is no such thing as 'non-jurisdiction', Wally. Buzzword fallacy.

There is legally no way to bar Gatien from the USA because he is not subject to our border's jurisdiction. He is a convicted felon who has an absolute right to cross the border any time he wants. Technically, he does not even need a passport to do that.

Special pleading fallacy. Your word games won't work, Wally.

 

[Tobytone]

Excuse me, White?

Dirty Diesel's on a rampage. OUCH!! He flipping me off on all my comments. STOP PLEASE. DD, YOU'RE ALL TRIGGERED

 

[Into the Night]

Oh my fucking gawd. The MAGAts are relying on, supporting, and reverting to Dred Scott v. Motherfucking Sandford.

These are literal Nazis, y'all. Do not let a Trump supporter into your house.

This isn't 1930 and this isn't Germany, moron.

The Nazi party were socialists, like DEMOCRATS. Fascism is a form of socialism. It is government manipulation of markets.

 

[Into the Night]

Fuck you, you disgusting racist pile of pig shit. You just cited a court case that declared that Black people are not citizens. You should be shot in the fucking head.

The year is 2025, moron.