BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.

Dutch Uncle said:
They are clearly moronic, demented and/or just ignorant.

FWIW, except for a few token deportations, I strongly doubt Trump will carry out his campaign promises anymore than his promise to pardon the Insurrectionists prior to 1/6.
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I hope he doesn't but we will have to wait and see.
Jan 20th will tell.
 
Tbird19482 said:
I hope he doesn't but we will have to wait and see.
Jan 20th will tell.
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Pedo Don is a populist and loves attention but he loves money more. When the billionaires start screaming that deportations are hurting their business, Donnie will pivot away from deportations, declare victory and blame the Democrats. It's his pattern of behavior.
 
Jarod said:
Look up "precedent" and "Stare Decius".
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Then according to you gun rights are settled law and the left should give it up.
Jarod said:
If they were born in the United States, what is their country of origin?
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parents if their parents aren’t citizens. So you are saying someone visiting the US who is pregnant and delivers the baby, that baby is a US citizen whether they want to be or not? You don’t see the lunacy in that? And you actually believe that is what the 14th amendment was designed to cover?
 
Teflon Don said:
Then according to you gun rights are settled law and the left should give it up.

parents if their parents aren’t citizens. So you are saying someone visiting the US who is pregnant and delivers the baby, that baby is a US citizen whether they want to be or not? You don’t see the lunacy in that? And you actually believe that is what the 14th amendment was designed to cover?
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Read the amendment. It won’t take long. Then tell yourself the amendment means exactly what it says. You should have your answer to what it “covers”.
 
Into the Night said:
They are not citizens.

They are not citizens.

Not the meaning of 'jurisdiction'. Go learn English.

WRONG. They are subject to it's laws, but are NOT necessarily citizens.

No court has authority over the Constitution.

That's right. You've figured it out. Any of them can, of course apply for citizenship.
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The Constitution says this -
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

All people are persons whether they are citizens or not. A person born in the United states is a citizen of the United States according to that sentence. It is impossible to read it any other way. It clearly states that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States.

You clearly are unable to understand the meaning of the words "all persons."
 
Tbird19482 said:
They have to be, who in the world with half a brain keeps voting against their own best interests?
I wonder how many of them will cry when they get deported because their Mother, Father , Grandmother , Grandfathers or on and on ,were here illegally.
They are a bunch of MAGA fools.
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MAGA isn't a person, Sybil.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
They are clearly moronic, demented and/or just ignorant.

FWIW, except for a few token deportations, I strongly doubt Trump will carry out his campaign promises anymore than his promise to pardon the Insurrectionists prior to 1/6.
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Mantra 1a. Lame. There was no insurrection.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The Constitution says this -
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

All people are persons whether they are citizens or not. A person born in the United states is a citizen of the United States according to that sentence. It is impossible to read it any other way. It clearly states that all persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States.

You clearly are unable to understand the meaning of the words "all persons."
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Illegal immigrants are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, nor are they naturalized.
Neither are their 'anchor babies'.

They are subject to the jurisdiction of their originating nation.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
You are completely wrong on this count.
If someone is in the US and NOT subject to US jurisdiction then the US can not arrest them, the US can not detain them, the US can not try them in any court, the US can not use any legal system to punish them. When a foreigner is in the US they are subject to the jurisdiction of the US. To not be subject to it would mean any foreigner entering the US could commit crimes and not be punished in any way shape or form. Your argument is ludicrous and completely ignorant of what jurisdiction means. When a foreign diplomat commits a crime, they are not subject to US law. The only recourse the US has is to request that their country remove them.

Every person born in the US is a person. That is what the Constitution says is the requirement to receive citizenship at birth. Unless they are a diplomat they are subject to US laws and therefore under US jurisdiction.

Many countries may not have birthright citizenship, but those countries don't have constitution that states that every person born in that country is a citizen. The only way to end birthright citizenship is to amend the US Constitution.
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No Amendment is needed. The Supreme Court can simply overturn the 1898 decision and clarify that the 14th Amendment is referring to ex-slaves and their descendants.
 
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