BREAKING: Trump says he’s going to overturn the 14th Amendment with an executive order.

Jarod said:
He can’t read.
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The funniest part of this argument is if we go look at the last part of Section 1 and simply apply this same idiotic definition of jurisdiction we see how ridiculous the argument is.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This would mean that a person from Florida is not subject to the jurisdiction of New York. Even though they are in NY they are not subject to NY jurisdiction since they are not a citizen of NY and since they are not subject to NY jurisdiction than they must be outside NY jurisdiction. Since anyone outside NY jurisdiction can not be inside NY jurisdiction, they are no longer protected by the 14 amendment since it only protects those within its jurisdiction.

That could mean that NY could pass laws that say anyone from Florida caught driving 5 miles over the speed limit is subject to a $100,000 speeding fine and every one from NY is exempt from any fine for that speed.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The funniest part of this argument is if we go look at the last part of Section 1 and simply apply this same idiotic definition of jurisdiction we see how ridiculous the argument is.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This would mean that a person from Florida is not subject to the jurisdiction of New York. Even though they are in NY they are not subject to NY jurisdiction since they are not a citizen of NY and since they are not subject to NY jurisdiction than you must be outside NY jurisdiction. Since anyone outside NY jurisdiction can not be inside NY jurisdiction, they are no longer protected by the 14 amendment since it only protects those within its jurisdiction.

That could mean that NY could pass laws that say anyone from Florida caught driving 5 miles over the speed limit is subject to a $100,000 speeding fine and every one from NY is exempt from any fine for that speed.
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How do you and all liberal "males" manage to lisp when you type????
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Where exactly does it say the parents must be under the jurisdiction of the USA in the 14th amendment?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

It only says the person born must be subject to the jurisdiction. It says nothing about parents. At this point you are simply making shit up that is not in the Constitution and pretending that your shit is true.
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The question is exactly what does "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean. If everyone born here was automatically a citizen then it would simply read "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens".
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
The question is exactly what does "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean. If everyone born here was automatically a citizen then it would simply read "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens".
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This has been explained to you repeatedly. It seems you are incapable of learning.

There were certain classes that are not subject to the jurisdiction.
An 1812 court ruling showing that class was foreign sovereigns, their ministers and ambassadors and foreign troops allowed to pass through the country. Another class was Native Americans that had treaties with the US.

If a non citizen is not subject to the jurisdiction then what occurs with someone who is a citizen of one US state but residing in another US state? Is a citizen of Florida subject to the jurisdiction of New York if he visits NY?
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
This has been explained to you repeatedly. It seems you are incapable of learning.

There were certain classes that are not subject to the jurisdiction.
An 1812 court ruling showing that class was foreign sovereigns, their ministers and ambassadors and foreign troops allowed to pass through the country. Another class was Native Americans that had treaties with the US.

If a non citizen is not subject to the jurisdiction then what occurs with someone who is a citizen of one US state but residing in another US state? Is a citizen of Florida subject to the jurisdiction of New York if he visits NY?
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What was the sole purpose of the 14th Amendment?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
....or Fox News and Tucker Carlson. LOL

While the demographics of JPP skew well into the over 60 age group, notice that it's the MAGAts who are hateful, abusive and perpetually angry. I have no doubt most abused their spouses, children and everyone else around them for most of their lives. They are classic Archie Bunker assholes.
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Hey! I’m an over 60 asshole who adores Archie Bunker. I sure as hell ain’t a MAGA guy. I’m pretty far from being a MAGA as I see Trump as an existential threat to the American Tradition of Government. Trump isn’t a problem solver. He creates problems.

Also, Archie was a good man who just wasn’t brought up that his words could be hateful and hurtful. Archie was a product of his time and historical events. He was raised and worked most of his life in white working class neighborhood. He had to drop out of school to get a job to help the family when he was a teenager. He then served in the war, went home, got married to a simple working class traditional housewife and worked a working class job and raised his small family. In the 1970’s his world took a big change when whites started leaving and people of color moved in. Archie was out of his depths and made many hilarious mistakes but, as we saw throughout the series, Archie learned from his mistakes, learned, adapted and grew in his character.

Do you think these clowns could even come close to his moral courage to change as he did at his age?

There’s no way in hell they would. Now get off my lawn. ;-)
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
The funniest part of this argument is if we go look at the last part of Section 1 and simply apply this same idiotic definition of jurisdiction we see how ridiculous the argument is.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This would mean that a person from Florida is not subject to the jurisdiction of New York. Even though they are in NY they are not subject to NY jurisdiction since they are not a citizen of NY and since they are not subject to NY jurisdiction than they must be outside NY jurisdiction. Since anyone outside NY jurisdiction can not be inside NY jurisdiction, they are no longer protected by the 14 amendment since it only protects those within its jurisdiction.

That could mean that NY could pass laws that say anyone from Florida caught driving 5 miles over the speed limit is subject to a $100,000 speeding fine and every one from NY is exempt from any fine for that speed.
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New York is not the United States, Poorboy. The 14th amendment is part of the US Constitution, not the Constitution of the State of New York.
 
Neil N. Blowme said:
Yes, both Trump and Biden. What about the money going to house, feed, education and healthcare for illegals?
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What about it I wasn't talking about that.
I was talking about just what Trump's tariffs of 20/30/49 or MORE will do to low income people , the poor, people on SS and our economy.
Again the exporting countries do not pay those tariffs they just pass them on to the consumer.
 
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