Can a person who voted for Trump be a respectable human being?

ThatOwlWoman said:
I doubt if many of them cared about what a racist misogynist crooked POS pig he is..... they hate the other side, and Hillary, enough to swallow whatever pride and principles they had left in order to fuck the rest of us over.
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So do they normally vote for Democrats or Republicans?

I can't see people who regularly vote for Democrats vote for dump because they hate Hilary......that defies logic.

I'll just assume they regularly vote republican anyway. That makes way more sense.
 
ump's policies are republican policies.

dump IS the republican party only he says it out loud.

Normally republicans dog whistle their agenda to fool americans.

So voting republican past and present is no different they haven't changed their agenda...…….EVER.

People who voted for dump wanted the racist piece of shit in office but wanted him to be quiet about his racism.
 
Life is Golden said:
Mmmmm, since I'm not a mind reader, I have no way of knowing if someone is lying to me or not.

But believe whatever gets you to sleep at night. IMO, people will lie about who they are voting for to a lot of people, friends, family, pollsters, etc.
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My friends aren’t in a habit of lying to me, nor is my family, it doesn’t take the ability of being a mind reader to know that.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't agree. If you are supporting a politician based on "his policies have made the economy better than his predecessor's did," you should be able to point out at least some of those policies. So far I have yet to see a single Trump follower be able to do that. You all (group you, not you personally) yell and get upset when we point out that Trump inherited an economy that was on the rise from Obama. Yet you can't state a single thing that Trump did that made any difference. That's probably because Trump did nothing other than come with an (R) after his name.
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Ok here are a couple of things. Tax cuts, reduction in regulation, aggressive government spending. Business confidence is soaring, in part thanks to a softer regulatory environment. Consumer sentiment by one measure is at its highest level in 18 years. Corporate profits, owed in good part to last year's tax cuts, are coming close to setting records.
All things the left hates but it works.
 
Phantasmal said:
My friends aren’t in a habit of lying to me, nor is my family, it doesn’t take the ability of being a mind reader to know that.
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If they have an inkling of how nuts you get with your Trump hate, they will lie to you, trust me. Or pretend to be apolitical. I've done that and do it.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s unfortunate you lie to your friends and family.
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Spin it however you choose. If I know someone is a Trump deranged lunatic, I won't engage them on politics. If they approach me with it, I say I have little interest in politics.

I'd lay bets you know someone who does the same thing.
 
gfm7175 said:
Yup... That's the total number of electors. 7 of them defected away from Trump and Clinton, instead choosing to vote for various other people, hence 304-227.


Those twits who speak about Trump "losing the popular vote" apparently do not know how presidents are elected in this country...
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That's why the 304 - 227 total came to 531. What was funny is that the Clinton camp thought far more would defect from Trump when 5 of the 7 were Clinton defectors.

Those twits don't care.

I've tried to explain to them, using a comparison to education, how the system works. Electoral votes are like a GPA, a summary of the results from all classes taken. Popular votes are like the individual grades within specific classes. The individual grades for (fill in the blank) class determine the final grade for that class only and are totally unrelated to individual grades for (another fill in the blank) class. When all classes are completed, the grades are used to determine GPA.

In the States where Trump received electoral votes, he won the popular vote for that State. In the States where Clinton won the popular vote, she won the electoral votes. Maine and Nebraska are an exception because they, because they can, divide their votes by congressional district.

When it comes to the current system, popular votes do count just like individual grades but they count only for the individual States. In reality, using the education comparison, we have 51 separate elections (classes) for which the popular votes (individual grades) apply only to what happens within that class (state). The popular votes in State (fill in the blank) have nothing to do with the popular votes in the other 50 elections.
 
Grumpy said:
Ok here are a couple of things. Tax cuts, reduction in regulation, aggressive government spending. Business confidence is soaring, in part thanks to a softer regulatory environment. Consumer sentiment by one measure is at its highest level in 18 years. Corporate profits, owed in good part to last year's tax cuts, are coming close to setting records.
All things the left hates but it works.
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Actually, consumer confidence is starting to decline, down in June and Corporate profit are down for June as well. Farm income is falling due to tariffs. The labor market is showing signs of cooling.
 
Life is Golden said:
Spin it however you choose. If I know someone is a Trump deranged lunatic, I won't engage them on politics. If they approach me with it, I say I have little interest in politics.

I'd lay bets you know someone who does the same thing.
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It’s no spin, it’s unfortunate you have to lie. I would just tell them I prefer not to discuss politics instead of lying. It is what I did with the friends and family who hated Obama. I didn’t pretend to dislike Obama, I simply changed the subject.
 
gfm7175 said:
What has he lied about?
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Lol, what hasn't he lied about?

Do you believe that the noise from windmills causes cancer? Trump said so in a speech to the National Republican Congressional Committee last April.

I only mention that because not a lot of people know it. Thousands more where that came from. And you're a good Trumpster; you believe them all, right?
 
Phantasmal said:
It’s no spin, it’s unfortunate you have to lie. I would just tell them I prefer not to discuss politics instead of lying. It is what I did with the friends and family who hated Obama. I didn’t pretend to dislike Obama, I simply changed the subject.
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Playing dumb about politics has the same end result.
 
CFM said:
That's why the 304 - 227 total came to 531. What was funny is that the Clinton camp thought far more would defect from Trump when 5 of the 7 were Clinton defectors.
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Precisely. They were making a big stink about whether or not electors would even be "faithful" to Trump, yet it was Clinton who most of the defecting electors chose to defect from.

CFM said:
Those twits don't care.
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Correct. They don't care. They don't like The Constitution; it gets in their way. They want to be outwardly governed instead of inwardly governed. They want to be slaves rather than to be free.

CFM said:
I've tried to explain to them, using a comparison to education, how the system works. Electoral votes are like a GPA, a summary of the results from all classes taken. Popular votes are like the individual grades within specific classes. The individual grades for (fill in the blank) class determine the final grade for that class only and are totally unrelated to individual grades for (another fill in the blank) class. When all classes are completed, the grades are used to determine GPA.

In the States where Trump received electoral votes, he won the popular vote for that State. In the States where Clinton won the popular vote, she won the electoral votes. Maine and Nebraska are an exception because they, because they can, divide their votes by congressional district.

When it comes to the current system, popular votes do count just like individual grades but they count only for the individual States. In reality, using the education comparison, we have 51 separate elections (classes) for which the popular votes (individual grades) apply only to what happens within that class (state). The popular votes in State (fill in the blank) have nothing to do with the popular votes in the other 50 elections.
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That's one way to "dumb it down" in a general sense, but by the sounds of it, even that doesn't do the trick...

If these people don't like our federated republic, and instead want fascism by oligarchy, then there are plenty of other countries to choose from...
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Lol, what hasn't he lied about?
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You're the one accusing him of being a liar; make your case...

Tranquillus in Exile said:
Do you believe that the noise from windmills causes cancer?
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No, I don't.

Tranquillus in Exile said:
Trump said so in a speech to the National Republican Congressional Committee last April.
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I am aware that something to that effect was said, but I am not aware of the context surrounding what was said.

Tranquillus in Exile said:
I only mention that because not a lot of people know it. Thousands more where that came from. And you're a good Trumpster; you believe them all, right?
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You haven't even listed "them all"... You listed one... I don't believe that one, and I don't know the context surrounding it... Was it a joke? Idk...
 
TTQ64 said:
So do they normally vote for Democrats or Republicans?

I can't see people who regularly vote for Democrats vote for dump because they hate Hilary......that defies logic.

I'll just assume they regularly vote republican anyway. That makes way more sense.
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I'm sure that they always vote (R) and just use Hillary as the excuse.
 
Phantasmal said:
Actually, consumer confidence is starting to decline, down in June and Corporate profit are down for June as well. Farm income is falling due to tariffs. The labor market is showing signs of cooling.
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I would take cnbc's forcast with a grain of salt. But hang on to your wish that the economy tanks. TDS is strong in you.
 
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