Can any leftist answer?

Did not follow baseline instructions. Peer reviewed and rejected.

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The questions in the OP remain unanswered.

I answered your questions.

You are just a dishonest poster. You never wanted an actual explanation because you couldn't understand what was written.

Face it: you don't know any science but here you are thinking you have some "gotchas". Ironically you were almost always WRONG in the gotchas you asked.

It really is clear you know NOTHING about this topic technically.

Discuss or not. If you fail to I know I'm right and you are a know-nothing.
 
It was answered. You are playing your right-wing games.

Not just Right-Wing, but science-illiterate games. Note the "questions" all were clearly coming from a position of almost NO ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE TOPIC.

The guy was asking for the "right" temperature and the "right" level of CO2. They dont' even understand the TOPIC!
 
AOC and other crazed lefties predicted the world would end in 10 years or so.

Can't say this enough:

NO ACTUAL LEGITIMATE SCIENTIST EVER SAID THE WORLD WOULD END IN 10 YEARS DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

NOT ONE.

NONE.

ZERO
ZIP
NADA
ZILCH
NOTHING
NO ONE
NEVER
EVER
EVER
NOT ONE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIST SAID THIS.


 
There is no optimum or correct global temperature nor does anyone believe there is. LIterally NO ONE says there should be. Certainly no scientist. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS: the CHANGE in the overall climate. The OVERALL temperature is increasing globally, but individually in locations the climate may change to a WARMER OR A COOLER environment locally. The climate is a complex interaction between many sub-climates. Climate change is what happens when the overall global temperature increases leading to changes locally which may cause some places to cool. Here's how (for example): The gulf stream is what brings warm water and warm air up from the Tropics to Western Europe. That warm water causes the climate of western Europe to be WARMER than it would be WITHOUT the Gulf Stream. Global warming is causing the Greenland Ice Sheet to melt which is putting cold FRESH water into the upper part of the Gulf Stream. The reason the Gulf Stream exists is because of salinity and temperature differences. If you pump a lot of cold fresh water into the gulf stream (mostly saline water) you can destabilize the Gulf Stream. This is already being observed in the water temperatures. This will ultimately lead to a massive shift in Western Europe to a COOLER climate which will, of course, decimate their agriculture etc. and lead to lots of bad things. But locally the area gets COOLER while the globe overall warms up. (It's a big place). Finally: the real problem will be the impact it has on our economy, agriculture and other resource availabilities. Same answer. No "proper" level of CO2. Humans have evolved in a world with a global set of climates that have remained largely stable over the last 14,000 years since humans settled in towns. Changing the climate QUICKLY after we've only ever known the present climate will result in problems. Again it is the CHANGE, not the absolute value. CO2 is treated as a pollutant in order to track it's concentration changes in the atmosphere. While the CO2 doesn't cause us to be physically ill like many pollutants, it WILL PROBABLY LEAD TO SEVERE DAMAGE TO OUR ECONOMY AND SOCIETY, so it's still problematic and needs to be tracked. What is actually measured in climate change science is the TEMPERATURE ANOMALY. NOT the temperature. So they use a baseline (although I have no idea where you got your numbers, that is usually not the baseline used for anomalies), but you get the point. The 1850's is thought to be the time when climate change really started to ramp up. With mass industrialization.
We can only control ourselves. Last I checked we cannot force China to do anything. Besides they actually have put some effort in on environmental regulations. Not enough, obviously. And if they put in too many we'll move our manufacturing to someplace that doesn't have it because we value cheap goods, not safe worlds.
Not everyone is. Most of us do. Then we have to be insulted by people who don't.

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation.
 
There is no optimum or correct global temperature nor does anyone believe there is. LIterally NO ONE says there should be. Certainly no scientist.

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS: the CHANGE in the overall climate.
Climate cannot change.
The OVERALL temperature is increasing globally, but individually in locations the climate may change to a WARMER OR A COOLER environment locally.
Climate has no temperature. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. There is no such thing as a 'global climate'.
The climate is a complex interaction between many sub-climates. Climate change is what happens when the overall global temperature increases leading to changes locally which may cause some places to cool.
Climate is not hierarchical. There is no such thing as a 'sub climate'. Climate cannot change. Climate has no temperature. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.
Here's how (for example): The gulf stream is what brings warm water and warm air up from the Tropics to Western Europe.
The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe.
That warm water causes the climate of western Europe to be WARMER than it would be WITHOUT the Gulf Stream.
The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe.
Global warming is causing the Greenland Ice Sheet to melt
It isn't melting. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.
which is putting cold FRESH water into the upper part of the Gulf Stream.
The gulf stream doesn't go near Greenland.
The reason the Gulf Stream exists is because of salinity and temperature differences.
Nope. Just temperature differences.
If you pump a lot of cold fresh water into the gulf stream (mostly saline water) you can destabilize the Gulf Stream.
The gulf stream doesn't go near Greenland, and the ice isn't melting in Greenland. You can't 'destabilize' a current.
This is already being observed in the water temperatures.
It is not possible to measure the temperature of the ocean.
This will ultimately lead to a massive shift in Western Europe to a COOLER climate
Climate has no temperature. The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe or Greenland.
which will, of course, decimate their agriculture etc. and lead to lots of bad things.

But locally the area gets COOLER while the globe overall warms up. (It's a big place).
So warmer=colder, eh? Paradox. Irrational.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.

Finally: the real problem will be the impact it has on our economy, agriculture and other resource availabilities.





Same answer. No "proper" level of CO2.

Humans have evolved in a world with a global set of climates that have remained largely stable over the last 14,000 years since humans settled in towns. Changing the climate QUICKLY after we've only ever known the present climate will result in problems.

Again it is the CHANGE, not the absolute value.




CO2 is treated as a pollutant in order to track it's concentration changes in the atmosphere. While the CO2 doesn't cause us to be physically ill like many pollutants, it WILL PROBABLY LEAD TO SEVERE DAMAGE TO OUR ECONOMY AND SOCIETY, so it's still problematic and needs to be tracked.



What is actually measured in climate change science is the TEMPERATURE ANOMALY. NOT the temperature. So they use a baseline (although I have no idea where you got your numbers, that is usually not the baseline used for anomalies), but you get the point.

The 1850's is thought to be the time when climate change really started to ramp up. With mass industrialization.



We can only control ourselves. Last I checked we cannot force China to do anything. Besides they actually have put some effort in on environmental regulations. Not enough, obviously. And if they put in too many we'll move our manufacturing to someplace that doesn't have it because we value cheap goods, not safe worlds.



Not everyone is.



Most of us do. Then we have to be insulted by people who don't.
 
Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction and refutation.

Which specific assertion would like an actual reference for? I can easily find it and will provide it.

Let me know which part you were most confused by.
 
Climate cannot change.

Climate has no temperature. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics. There is no such thing as a 'global climate'.

Climate is not hierarchical. There is no such thing as a 'sub climate'. Climate cannot change. Climate has no temperature. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.

The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe.

The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe.

It isn't melting. No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You cannot create energy out of nothing.

The gulf stream doesn't go near Greenland.

Nope. Just temperature differences.

The gulf stream doesn't go near Greenland, and the ice isn't melting in Greenland. You can't 'destabilize' a current.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of the ocean.

Climate has no temperature. The gulf stream doesn't go near Europe or Greenland.

So warmer=colder, eh? Paradox. Irrational.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You are still ignoring the 1st law of thermodynamics.

My my! Let me respond to your INCREDIBLY INTELLIGENT POST with this riposte:

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That was horrible. NASA is deeply involved in monitoring climate change.
Climate cannot change, Sybil.
They have trained scientists doing the work.
Climate is not science. A government agency is not science.
They have been at it for decades.
Who are 'they'?
The appeal to authority is a win,
No, it's a fallacy. False authority fallacy.
They are the authorities on climate change and you are not. The answer is complete and solid.
Climate cannot change.

You still have a lot of problems with English, Sybil. Climate has no temperature. Climate cannot change.
 
AOC and other crazed lefties predicted the world would end in 10 years or so. Some of these
absurd predictions took place well over 10 years ago. Does anyone here believe that we're
facing a certain climate change Armageddon?
Wow. You sure pulled out their buzzwords! :laugh:

Armageddon is a location. Climate is not a location.
 
I refer the dishonorable member back to the initial post.

I see we are back to this.

Your points, as per usual, deserve no actual thoughtful response since you are unable to read or understand. So please accept this in lieu of a thought-out response. It is far more your speed than the actual information I provided which you couldn't possibly understand.

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Can't say this enough:

NO ACTUAL LEGITIMATE SCIENTIST EVER SAID THE WORLD WOULD END IN 10 YEARS DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

NOT ONE.

NONE.

ZERO
ZIP
NADA
ZILCH
NOTHING
NO ONE
NEVER
EVER
EVER
NOT ONE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIST SAID THIS.
Oh my, you mean to tell me that the climate experts on the left like AOC and the Fake News Media
have been lying to us all this time that our world is going to end in a decade or so? I'm flabbergasted!
 
Oh my, you mean to tell me that the climate experts on the left like AOC and the Fake News Media
have been lying to us all this time that our world is going to end in a decade or so? I'm flabbergasted!

AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.

I think this might be important for you so I'll repeat it a couple times so you can figure it out:

AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.
AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST.AOC IS NOT A SCIENTIST
 
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