Fentoine Lum
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Perhaps america will get there someday, we're certainly not there now. Nothing here is "intrigal" to fweedumb but wealth.
Capitalism Has Destroyed / Is Destroying American Family Values
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Perhaps america will get there someday, we're certainly not there now. Nothing here is "intrigal" to fweedumb but wealth.
evince
Truthmatters
republican deregulation is evil
they don't seek to improve capitalism
they seek to hand the world to the wealthy
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Kacper,
That does not follow from what I said. Has nothing to do with it, and is not a logical conclusion.
It's actually an indication that you are losing the debate, giving up.
You can't think of a single thing to say to oppose the contention of the OP, so you attack the author.
Pretty lame. Doesn't take much originality. Anybody could do that to any thread. What's so unique about your lame repetition of that all-too-common lack of inspiration?
Nothing.
Can we infer that you thus have no objection to the OP?
Capitalism applies stress to American families. An ideal family would have both parents actively involved with the lives of their children. Capitalism drives parents away from children. Working parents are pressured to be good workers. That means putting in a lot of hours, giving up quality time with children. How many fathers missed their kids' school sports performances, school plays, Parent-Teacher meetings? How many kids get home from school to find an empty home? No mom there. She's working. Be a good kid and stay out of trouble until the parents get home. If they work too late and it's almost bedtime, don't worry, tomorrow's another day. But then tomorrow is just like today, and the day before, and the day before that. How can kids feel safe to tell their parents all their concerns when they only have 5 minutes before bedtime to recap the whole day , the whole week, their whole lives?
Is it any wonder kids are getting into trouble?
This happens to poor families more than rich.
The only way to try to make up for low pay is to work long hours, and for both parents to work as much as possible. These days, with so many parents taking whatever work they can find, that means being available at a moment's notice. When the big corporate employer wants them, they call. 24-7. If the worker parent turns it down, they don't get called as much. And they need the money. They have to go. What kind of a life is it for a kid who never knows when they are ever going to be able to share their concerns and difficulties with their parent? Sometimes a kid really needs a little guidance. If the parent is working, the kid gets no answers. Little things turn into big things. Things are compounded on top of one another. It all adds up to a messed up kid who later becomes another poor parent who has no good idea how to raise kids. The problem perpetuates.
Capitalism destroys family values.
That does not follow from what I said. Has nothing to do with it, and is not a logical conclusion.
It's actually an indication that you are losing the debate, giving up.
You can't think of a single thing to say to oppose the contention of the OP, so you attack the author.
Pretty lame. Doesn't take much originality. Anybody could do that to any thread. What's so unique about your lame repetition of that all-too-common lack of inspiration?
Nothing.
Can we infer that you thus have no objection to the OP?
Capitalism applies stress to American families. An ideal family would have both parents actively involved with the lives of their children. Capitalism drives parents away from children. Working parents are pressured to be good workers. That means putting in a lot of hours, giving up quality time with children. How many fathers missed their kids' school sports performances, school plays, Parent-Teacher meetings? How many kids get home from school to find an empty home? No mom there. She's working. Be a good kid and stay out of trouble until the parents get home. If they work too late and it's almost bedtime, don't worry, tomorrow's another day. But then tomorrow is just like today, and the day before, and the day before that. How can kids feel safe to tell their parents all their concerns when they only have 5 minutes before bedtime to recap the whole day , the whole week, their whole lives?
Is it any wonder kids are getting into trouble?
This happens to poor families more than rich.
The only way to try to make up for low pay is to work long hours, and for both parents to work as much as possible. These days, with so many parents taking whatever work they can find, that means being available at a moment's notice. When the big corporate employer wants them, they call. 24-7. If the worker parent turns it down, they don't get called as much. And they need the money. They have to go. What kind of a life is it for a kid who never knows when they are ever going to be able to share their concerns and difficulties with their parent? Sometimes a kid really needs a little guidance. If the parent is working, the kid gets no answers. Little things turn into big things. Things are compounded on top of one another. It all adds up to a messed up kid who later becomes another poor parent who has no good idea how to raise kids. The problem perpetuates.
Capitalism destroys family values.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
I have sometimes wondered if corporate charters need to be temporary.
Let them exist for a prescribed duration and then be dissolved.
If a man creates a company, builds a fortune, good for him.
Why does that company need to outlive him, and turn into a multi-national conglomerate which becomes more powerful than nations, and begins to dictate policy to nations?
Nations are for all their people.
Corporations are for their investors only.
They are against workers and consumers.
We gotta get our priorities straight.
Corporations should not be more powerful than nations.
I have sometimes wondered if corporate charters need to be temporary.
Let them exist for a prescribed duration and then be dissolved.
If a man creates a company, builds a fortune, good for him.
Why does that company need to outlive him, and turn into a multi-national conglomerate which becomes more powerful than nations, and begins to dictate policy to nations?
Nations are for all their people.
Corporations are for their investors only.
They are against workers and consumers.
We gotta get our priorities straight.
Corporations should not be more powerful than nations.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Fentoine Lum,
That dynamic is definitely in place, but is not absolute.
We can make the country what we want it to be.
It is our challenge, our responsibility.
The founders created the nation out of nothing.
It is up to us to take we we have been given and improve it.
Rolling over and bowing down to the power of big money does not help families or our nation.
Giving in on this battle hurts America.
It would make America great again if family values could be improved rather than suppressed.
That dynamic is definitely in place, but is not absolute.
We can make the country what we want it to be.
It is our challenge, our responsibility.
The founders created the nation out of nothing.
It is up to us to take we we have been given and improve it.
Rolling over and bowing down to the power of big money does not help families or our nation.
Giving in on this battle hurts America.
It would make America great again if family values could be improved rather than suppressed.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello evince,
I liken that to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It is a distraction from good discussions.
I liken that to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It is a distraction from good discussions.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello evince,
They don't believe that. They believe in unfettered capitalism as if it were God. They want to cling to capitalism, want to worship it.
That's ridiculous. Capitalism is a tool. If you are not careful with it, it can hurt you. That is what is happening. We have not been careful with capitalism. It is getting out of control and hurting us.
They think it is perfect already. Nothing is perfect.
Only the greedy wealthy want that. Most are simply ill informed and believe what they are doing is good.
Capitalism provides jobs, supports families. How can that be bad? It is bad because the quality of the jobs is going downhill. It renders the ability of workers at the lower end of the income scale to be unable to support their families without working so much they can't raise them properly.
Capitalism is the vehicle by which the rich and powerful expand their wealth and power. That includes such methods as using wealth and power to influence and even control governments.
Governments are supposed to serve all the people. That is not always happening.
Look at Big Coal. They are fighting a losing battle. Coal is becoming obsolete. Fracking energy is displacing coal energy because it is cheaper. Capitalism did that.
What does it mean?
Big Coal is still very powerful. Don Blankenship has millions of dollars to spend supporting candidates like Trump. So he does that. He wants laws changed. Laws that were there to protect the people, protect the coal workers. It costs people like Blankenship money to have safety equipment in mines. It is cheaper for him to fight that than it is to protect the workers.
How can capitalism be all good all the time when it gets 29 workers (parents to children, heads of family) killed because Blankenship didn't want to follow safety protocols?
Government regulation told Blankenship he had to erect barriers to prevent run-off from mountain-top removal from getting into pristine mountain streams. Well, that costs money, ya know. It comes right out of Blankenship's profits. He didn't want to do it. Government forced him to. He hates government for that, wants to change it, wants to control government. Trump offered him a chance to do that. So Blankenship would rather support Trump than to do the right thing for the environment. Blankenship went to prison, but that doesn't take away his big money, or his ability to support Trump.
Trump got elected by using the money of convicts to do what convicts what him to do.
Not for the people.
For profits.
Dirty money.
Trump got elected on dirty money.
We've got to stand up and turn this nation around.
Pollution and killed workers, orphaned little children, convicts dictating policy, is not making America great again.
Well-meaning Republicans should be ashamed of what they have allowed.
What happened to the Grand Old Party?
Has it become the Greed-Only Party?
They don't believe that. They believe in unfettered capitalism as if it were God. They want to cling to capitalism, want to worship it.
That's ridiculous. Capitalism is a tool. If you are not careful with it, it can hurt you. That is what is happening. We have not been careful with capitalism. It is getting out of control and hurting us.
They think it is perfect already. Nothing is perfect.
Only the greedy wealthy want that. Most are simply ill informed and believe what they are doing is good.
Capitalism provides jobs, supports families. How can that be bad? It is bad because the quality of the jobs is going downhill. It renders the ability of workers at the lower end of the income scale to be unable to support their families without working so much they can't raise them properly.
Capitalism is the vehicle by which the rich and powerful expand their wealth and power. That includes such methods as using wealth and power to influence and even control governments.
Governments are supposed to serve all the people. That is not always happening.
Look at Big Coal. They are fighting a losing battle. Coal is becoming obsolete. Fracking energy is displacing coal energy because it is cheaper. Capitalism did that.
What does it mean?
Big Coal is still very powerful. Don Blankenship has millions of dollars to spend supporting candidates like Trump. So he does that. He wants laws changed. Laws that were there to protect the people, protect the coal workers. It costs people like Blankenship money to have safety equipment in mines. It is cheaper for him to fight that than it is to protect the workers.
How can capitalism be all good all the time when it gets 29 workers (parents to children, heads of family) killed because Blankenship didn't want to follow safety protocols?
Government regulation told Blankenship he had to erect barriers to prevent run-off from mountain-top removal from getting into pristine mountain streams. Well, that costs money, ya know. It comes right out of Blankenship's profits. He didn't want to do it. Government forced him to. He hates government for that, wants to change it, wants to control government. Trump offered him a chance to do that. So Blankenship would rather support Trump than to do the right thing for the environment. Blankenship went to prison, but that doesn't take away his big money, or his ability to support Trump.
Trump got elected by using the money of convicts to do what convicts what him to do.
Not for the people.
For profits.
Dirty money.
Trump got elected on dirty money.
We've got to stand up and turn this nation around.
Pollution and killed workers, orphaned little children, convicts dictating policy, is not making America great again.
Well-meaning Republicans should be ashamed of what they have allowed.
What happened to the Grand Old Party?
Has it become the Greed-Only Party?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Trump's war on families is ripping children away from parents at the border.
Trump is ABOMINABLE!
Trump is ABOMINABLE!
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win, Am Yisrael Chai
He is deplorable
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello guno,
Deplorable is as deplorable does.
And he's got DEPLORABLE, stamped in big orange letters, all over his face.
Deplorable is as deplorable does.
And he's got DEPLORABLE, stamped in big orange letters, all over his face.
evince
Truthmatters
IT WAS ELECTION CHEATING
the money these people spend goes to fooling people and cheating in elections.
fools need to be shamed for believing lies over facts
the foolers need to be publicly shamed for lying
being nice to them does not work
the republican party is run by sociopaths
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
evince
Truthmatters
to believe blindly in lies is evil
its not the only kind of evil
the current republican party voters refuse all facts and embrace the lies of right wing radio, Fox "news" and trump and team
they call EVERYTHING ELSE LIES
they are doing it willingly
just like the German people did
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello evince,
That does not define evil.
You must define the concept of evil before you can apply it.
If you cannot define it then it is meaningless to use the term.
The dictionary says it is "profoundly immoral and malevolent."
Then you have to define moral.
But what is moral or evil to one person is not the same to another.
Our Constitution does not define these terms.
They are subjective.
You are applying them, but they don't mean the same thing to others as they mean to you.
There is nothing absolute here.
It is not as cut and dried as you would like to believe.
Consider this.
Some of the people who voted for President Obama also voted for Trump.
Does that make them evil?
If they vote for your guy they are good and if they vote for the other guy they are bad?
Such oversimplification is a bad implication for our nation.
That does not define evil.
You must define the concept of evil before you can apply it.
If you cannot define it then it is meaningless to use the term.
The dictionary says it is "profoundly immoral and malevolent."
Then you have to define moral.
But what is moral or evil to one person is not the same to another.
Our Constitution does not define these terms.
They are subjective.
You are applying them, but they don't mean the same thing to others as they mean to you.
There is nothing absolute here.
It is not as cut and dried as you would like to believe.
Consider this.
Some of the people who voted for President Obama also voted for Trump.
Does that make them evil?
If they vote for your guy they are good and if they vote for the other guy they are bad?
Such oversimplification is a bad implication for our nation.
evince
Truthmatters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Minor political parties[edit]
This listing of minor parties does not include independents.
Political Party
Ideologies
2016 Presidential Election Votes[6]
Founded in
Former Titles
International Affiliations
America First Party
Paleoconservatism
2002
America's Party
Christian conservatism
4,689
2008
America's Independent Party
American Delta Party
Social progressivism
2016
American Freedom Party
White nationalism
2010
American Third Position Party
American Populist Party*
Libertarianism
2009
American Solidarity Party
Christian democracy
6,662
2011
Christian Democratic Party USA
Black Riders Liberation Party
Black nationalism
1996
Christian Liberty Party*
Dominionism
1996
American Heritage Party
Citizens Party of the United States
Centrism
2004
New American Independent Party
Communist Party
Communism
1919
Workers Party of America
Workers (Communist) Party of America
International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
Constitution Party
Paleoconservatism
Fiscal conservatism
203,091
1992
U.S. Taxpayers' Party
Freedom Socialist Party
Trotskyism
1966
Committee for Revolutionary International Regroupment
Green Party
Progressivism
Green politics
Democratic socialism
1,444,059
2001
Association of State Green Parties
Global Greens
Humane Party
Animal rights
2009
Independent American Party
Paleoconservatism
2,732
1998
Justice Party
Social democracy
2011
Legal Marijuana Now Party
Marijuana legalization
13,537
1998
Libertarian Party
Libertarianism
Classical liberalism
Anti-intervention
4,442,131
1971
International Alliance of Libertarian Parties
Interlibertarians[7]
Modern Whig Party
Centrism
2007
National Socialist Movement
Neo-Nazism
1974
National Socialist American Workers Freedom Movement
World Union of National Socialists
New Black Panther Party
Black nationalism
1989
Objectivist Party
Objectivism
2008
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Communism
73,636
2004
Peace and Freedom Party
Democratic socialism
1967
Prohibition Party
Temperance
5,617
1869
Reform Party
Big tent
Electoral reform
Anti-corruption
33,085
1995
United We Stand America
Socialist Action
Trotskyism
1983
Fourth International
Socialist Alternative
Trotskyism
1986
Labor Militant
Committee for a Workers' International
Socialist Equality Party
Trotskyism
469
1966
Workers League
International Committee of the Fourth International
Socialist Labor Party of America
De Leonism
1876
Workingmen's Party (1876–1877)
Socialistic Labor Party (1877–1880s)
Socialist Party
Democratic socialism
Anti-intervention
Anti-capitalist
2,698
1973
Social Democratic Party/Socialist Party of America (1898-1972)
Debs Caucus
Union for Democratic Socialism
Socialist Workers Party
Communism
11,741
1938
Pathfinder tendency (unofficial)
Traditionalist Worker Party
Neo-Nazism
2015
United States Marijuana Party
Marijuana legalization
2002
United States Pacifist Party
Pacifism
382
1983
United States Pirate Party
Pirate politics
2006
Pirate Parties International (observer)
Unity Party of America
Centrism
2004
Veterans Party of America
Centrism
7,233
2013
Workers World Party
Minor political parties[edit]
This listing of minor parties does not include independents.
Political Party
Ideologies
2016 Presidential Election Votes[6]
Founded in
Former Titles
International Affiliations
America First Party
Paleoconservatism
2002
America's Party
Christian conservatism
4,689
2008
America's Independent Party
American Delta Party
Social progressivism
2016
American Freedom Party
White nationalism
2010
American Third Position Party
American Populist Party*
Libertarianism
2009
American Solidarity Party
Christian democracy
6,662
2011
Christian Democratic Party USA
Black Riders Liberation Party
Black nationalism
1996
Christian Liberty Party*
Dominionism
1996
American Heritage Party
Citizens Party of the United States
Centrism
2004
New American Independent Party
Communist Party
Communism
1919
Workers Party of America
Workers (Communist) Party of America
International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
Constitution Party
Paleoconservatism
Fiscal conservatism
203,091
1992
U.S. Taxpayers' Party
Freedom Socialist Party
Trotskyism
1966
Committee for Revolutionary International Regroupment
Green Party
Progressivism
Green politics
Democratic socialism
1,444,059
2001
Association of State Green Parties
Global Greens
Humane Party
Animal rights
2009
Independent American Party
Paleoconservatism
2,732
1998
Justice Party
Social democracy
2011
Legal Marijuana Now Party
Marijuana legalization
13,537
1998
Libertarian Party
Libertarianism
Classical liberalism
Anti-intervention
4,442,131
1971
International Alliance of Libertarian Parties
Interlibertarians[7]
Modern Whig Party
Centrism
2007
National Socialist Movement
Neo-Nazism
1974
National Socialist American Workers Freedom Movement
World Union of National Socialists
New Black Panther Party
Black nationalism
1989
Objectivist Party
Objectivism
2008
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Communism
73,636
2004
Peace and Freedom Party
Democratic socialism
1967
Prohibition Party
Temperance
5,617
1869
Reform Party
Big tent
Electoral reform
Anti-corruption
33,085
1995
United We Stand America
Socialist Action
Trotskyism
1983
Fourth International
Socialist Alternative
Trotskyism
1986
Labor Militant
Committee for a Workers' International
Socialist Equality Party
Trotskyism
469
1966
Workers League
International Committee of the Fourth International
Socialist Labor Party of America
De Leonism
1876
Workingmen's Party (1876–1877)
Socialistic Labor Party (1877–1880s)
Socialist Party
Democratic socialism
Anti-intervention
Anti-capitalist
2,698
1973
Social Democratic Party/Socialist Party of America (1898-1972)
Debs Caucus
Union for Democratic Socialism
Socialist Workers Party
Communism
11,741
1938
Pathfinder tendency (unofficial)
Traditionalist Worker Party
Neo-Nazism
2015
United States Marijuana Party
Marijuana legalization
2002
United States Pacifist Party
Pacifism
382
1983
United States Pirate Party
Pirate politics
2006
Pirate Parties International (observer)
Unity Party of America
Centrism
2004
Veterans Party of America
Centrism
7,233
2013
Workers World Party