Capitalism Has Destroyed / Is Destroying American Family Values

PoliTalker said:
Hello Frank,

I am a social capitalist. I love capitalism, but recognize the downside. Capitalism is not perfect. This imperfection is what leads to extreme wealth inequality. Capitalism has no interest in an enduring American society or in promoting American family values. We need to inject some socialism into our capitalism to get that. I agree it will be messy to transcend from the now to a brighter future.

Conservatives often say the underadvantaged are to be blamed for their own condition, and they can extricate themselves from misery by simply working harder. The problem with that reasoning is that not everyone can be CEO. Life has to be good for the worker on the line as well. Many in power agree with this, but sadly many do not.

It is the difference between win/win philosophy and win/lose. Sadly, our President believes in win/lose dealing. He thinks every deal has a winner and a loser, and he aims to always be the winner. He is wrong. America doesn't need to be first all the time. Humanity does. The environment does. Ideals do. Our current leadership is making the problem worse, not better. A bump in the road over the course of American history. Considerate people will reject the President's leadership and adhere to the values which will make American families great again.
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If it is well fettered with WISE regulations


no system creates an automatic setting


Humankind has to create the world it wants to live in


FREEDOM is paramount


capitalism is just one tool in mankind bag to keep the world free.


but it is one that can never be SOLD away


and NOT properly regulated its sells its self away

to survive Capitalism MUST be regulated
 
Frank Apisa said:
"Unfettered capitalism" is a continuum, ca.

We are a hell of a lot closer to it than anyone else around...so your suggestion that "we have nothing close to (it) in this country"...rings very hollow.

And if the Trump sycophants get their way...we will be even closer before we are done with this national nightmare we are enduring.

Best we avoid "getting closer" in almost any way possible.
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there is a reason they can give no example of such


its eats its self when actually practiced

its a sham debate

its a traitors tool of an idea
 
evince said:
there is a reason they can give no example of such


its eats its self when actually practiced

its a sham debate

its a traitors tool of an idea
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The blacks should be grateful for all the socialism Frank wants. 1 in every 3 1/2 rely on food stamps. Otherwise, they wouldn't eat unless they stole it from somewhere.
 
the republican party wants the system to fail


they have even begun working with the Russian to destroy our Democracy


they are the Enemy


the Democratic party is who is fighting to save us


NEVER FORGET THAT
 
CFM said:
The blacks should be grateful for all the socialism Frank wants. 1 in every 3 1/2 rely on food stamps. Otherwise, they wouldn't eat unless they stole it from somewhere.
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go get reprogramed

this is a new moment
 
Frank Apisa said:
"Unfettered capitalism" is a continuum, ca.

We are a hell of a lot closer to it than anyone else around...so your suggestion that "we have nothing close to (it) in this country"...rings very hollow.

And if the Trump sycophants get their way...we will be even closer before we are done with this national nightmare we are enduring.

Best we avoid "getting closer" in almost any way possible.
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we may have the "freest" market of any industrialized country but that doesn't mean we are close to unfettered capitalism. What we are close to is crony capitalism ruining this country.

You get too caught up in the power of the President and often miss the forest for the trees of what's going on in the country.
 
cawacko said:
we may have the "freest" market of any industrialized country but that doesn't mean we are close to unfettered capitalism. What we are close to is crony capitalism ruining this country.

You get too caught up in the power of the President and often miss the forest for the trees of what's going on in the country.
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Perhaps you are right.

To help me along, though, could you name two or three other countries that are closer to unfettered capitalism?

Maybe...even one.
 
the republican party has not cared about Democracy for a few decades now

they are the party of the wealthy who want more
 
Frank Apisa said:
Perhaps you are right.

To help me along, though, could you name two or three other countries that are closer to unfettered capitalism?

Maybe...even one.
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re-read my first sentence. Let me just give a very rudimentary example. Say on a scale of 1 - 10 with one being the most unfettered and 10 being North Korea. Say we are a 5 with European countries being 7's. So we are closer than anyone else but it doesn't mean we are close.
 
Unfettered capitalism is not in practice because it cant be maintained


someone ends up cornering all markets and you no longer have free people


everyone is owned by who won
 
CFM said:
You're a socialist POS in the same mold as other ones like you.

Not everyone has to be a CEO to not be in "misery". When someone quits school while in the 9th grade having what amounts to an 8th grade education, the system isn't to blame. The quitter is. That person is the only one to blame for their own condition.

Socialism won't make family values greater. Over the past 50 years, more of it in society has torn the family apart. When a single mother uses the government as the provider and is willing to spread her legs in order to get more handouts, that's not family value. That's socialism destroying society. If socialism worked, the $22 trillion wasted on social welfare programs since mid 1960s would have made things better.
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Hello CFM,

Welcome to my Ignore List.

If you had made the same exact post without saying anything derogatory about me I would engage in a mutually respectful conversation.

You've made some valid points but I won't be discussing them with you. I am into civil discourse. This will be your one and only endorphin rush out of me.

And that goes for anyone else who feels the need to vent their frustrations with the world on me.

Please identify yourselves by flaming on me and you can join CFM. btw, my rules are more strict than the site rules. When I place a poster on Ignore, it is permanent.
 
cawacko said:
re-read my first sentence. Let me just give a very rudimentary example. Say on a scale of 1 - 10 with one being the most unfettered and 10 being North Korea. Say we are a 5 with European countries being 7's. So we are closer than anyone else but it doesn't mean we are close.
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CA...I don't want to drag this out...but the point is important.

You said we are not close to unfettered capitalism.

I mentioned that we are closer than anyone else.

WE ARE.

I am not sure what how much closer we would have to get to be "close to it"...but I do not want to get any closer...and like Poli...I want to distance ourselves further from it.

Whether we are (what you consider) close to it or not...we are too goddam close as far as I am concerned.

I will grant, for instance, that OUR "poor" are MUCH better off than the poor of other countries, but I still abhor the fact that many of OUR poor work FULL TIME...and still are not able to live a truly decent life in a country of IMMENSE WEALTH.

Nobody in this country our to have to work multiple jobs in order just to make ends meet! NOBODY.

And that situation will only be remediated by incorporating economic ideas from outside the capitalistic continuum.

Let's discuss it. Poli has given us a forum for doing so.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello CFM,

Welcome to my Ignore List.

If you had made the same exact post without saying anything derogatory about me I would engage in a mutually respectful conversation.

You've made some valid points but I won't be discussing them with you. I am into civil discourse. This will be your one and only endorphin rush out of me.

And that goes for anyone else who feels the need to vent their frustrations with the world on me.

Please identify yourselves by flaming on me and you can join CFM. btw, my rules are more strict than the site rules. When I place a poster on Ignore, it is permanent.
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you must beware that we encounter many Russian bots on this internet medium too.


you are being so mechanical in your responses it makes you appear to be a bot
 
Frank Apisa said:
CA...I don't want to drag this out...but the point is important.

You said we are not close to unfettered capitalism.

I mentioned that we are closer than anyone else.

WE ARE.

I am not sure what how much closer we would have to get to be "close to it"...but I do not want to get any closer...and like Poli...I want to distance ourselves further from it.

Whether we are (what you consider) close to it or not...we are too goddam close as far as I am concerned.

I will grant, for instance, that OUR "poor" are MUCH better off than the poor of other countries, but I still abhor the fact that many of OUR poor work FULL TIME...and still are not able to live a truly decent life in a country of IMMENSE WEALTH.

Nobody in this country our to have to work multiple jobs in order just to make ends meet! NOBODY.

And that situation will only be remediated by incorporating economic ideas from outside the capitalistic continuum.

Let's discuss it. Poli has given us a forum for doing so.
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Like I said your concern should be crony capitalism. If you have 20 minutes listen to this NPR Planet Money podcast on how are economy is rigged. These two gentlemen wrote a book about it. One is a libertarian and the other a liberal. They came together because they both recognize the danger it presents.


https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018/03/09/592393083/episode-829-rigging-the-economy


And here's another longer podcast with the same authors and it delves into how crony capitalism exacerbates income inequality


http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/12/brink_lindsey_a.html
 
cawacko said:
we may have the "freest" market of any industrialized country but that doesn't mean we are close to unfettered capitalism. What we are close to is crony capitalism ruining this country.

You get too caught up in the power of the President and often miss the forest for the trees of what's going on in the country.
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Hello cawacko,

Capitalists hold outsized power in the USA. They wield it chiefly for the purpose of increasing their own wealth with too little consideration for the condition or future of the nation. Too many are thinking only of themselves; too few are dedicated to America. These considerations must be balanced with one another. The balance is presently skewed towards power and wealth accumulation. The rewards of shrewd capitalism are personal wealth. The rewards of shrewd socialism are social advancement and improvement of the human condition. The motivation of one is greed, the other - altruism.

I find it amusing that many capitalists claim capitalism has produced the highest standard of living than ever before; yet socialism is actually responsible for much of that. They often cite how the poor have many modern conveniences; but routinely fail to recognize that socialism, not capitalism, has raised the standard of living of America's poor to the current level.
 
PoliTalker said:
American families are clearly on the decline. Divorce rates and out-of-wedlock child birth rates are up. Capitalism has played a crucial role in this evolution.
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Ummm, no, liberalism has done this you fucking moron. And I mean that in the nicest possible way, and with NO due respect.
 
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