Civil Libertarians?

Where Do You Stand On Civil Liberties?

  • Strong Civil Libertarian

    Votes: 5 100.0%

  • Slightly Civil Libertarian

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Strong Civil Authoritarian

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Slightly Civil Authoritarian

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • On The Fence/IDK/Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    5
are libertarians Austrian school of economics adherents?


Yes


they dont like math because math proves their ideas WRONG
 
evince said:
are libertarians Austrian school of economics adherents?


Yes
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Simplistic worldview. Just like CFM. See, I am right when I say people on both sides are guilty of that.

No, civil libertarians do not necessarily prescribe to the Austrian school of economics. Pure libertarians do, civil libertarianism focuses on civil liberty issues. Bernie Sanders, self-described socialist, was literally a civil libertarian. The ACLU is civil libertarian. Get your head out of your ass. And while you're at it, help your buddy CFM get his out too.
 
please people don't fall for these clowns


In the end they are the tool of the wealthy



they are either too stupid to do math or they don't want it used because it proves them wrong


EVERY TIME we do them and the republican partys economic government hands off everything the Corporations FUCK THE PEOPLE and we have to go back to Keynesian idea to save us
 
evince said:
you are a Austrian school idiot grind
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So the universal basic income is an austrian idea? Universal healthcare coverage? Progressive taxes?

Do you know what austrian economics is? If you did, you would know I don't follow Austrian economists just because I believe victimless crimes should be legal.
 
TrippyHippy said:
Simplistic worldview. Just like CFM. See, I am right when I say people on both sides are guilty of that.

No, civil libertarians do not necessarily prescribe to the Austrian school of economics. Pure libertarians do, civil libertarianism focuses on civil liberty issues. Bernie Sanders, self-described socialist, was literally a civil libertarian. The ACLU is civil libertarian. Get your head out of your ass. And while you're at it, help your buddy CFM get his out too.
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its a sham you fool



the good ideas in the libertarian ideas are the democratic party idea they embrace.



so why even fuck with them


they have major stupid ideas that do ALOT OF HARM


fuck them
 
evince said:
Economics[edit]
Left-libertarians (social and individualist anarchists, libertarian Marxists and left-wing market anarchists) argue in favor of socialist theories such as communism, syndicalism and mutualism (anarchist economics). Daniel Guérin writes that "anarchism is really a synonym for socialism. The anarchist is primarily a socialist whose aim is to abolish the exploitation of man by man. Anarchism is only one of the streams of socialist thought, that stream whose main components are concern for liberty and haste to abolish the State".[68]
Right-libertarians are economic liberals of either the Austrian School or Chicago school and support laissez-faire capitalism.[69]
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CEOs dreams
 
TrippyHippy said:
They prohibit it. They don't stop me from doing it.

pro·hib·it
prəˈhibit,prōˈhibit/Submit
verb
formally forbid (something) by law, rule, or other authority.



I do it inside my home. But since the penalties for growing my weed are absolutely mental, I do have to pick it up.



You said for only growing pot, not for only one offense. Which one is it?
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To prohibit means to prevent or make impossible.

While you may smoke it entirely in your home, your possession of it isn't entirely there. Maybe you can get high and meditate on how to get it from where you buy it without it being in public.

Let’s look at your examples one at a time:

Example 1: Lee Carroll Brooker has armed robbery convictions. Even the judge said he wouldn’t have received a life sentence just for the marijuana. Claim dismissed.
Example 2: Jeff Mizanskey was given the sentence for trying DISTRIBUTE having two previous convictions for possession and selling. Without those two prior convictions, he couldn’t have been considered a persistent drug offender. That means he wouldn’t have been put in for life without showing he can’t follow the law. Claim dismissed.
Example 3: Same as Example 1 and it’s already been dismissed.
Example 4: Same as Example 2 and it’s already been dismissed.

In both cases, it wasn't an isolated case where the person had never done anything before and the hammer was dropped. They had both proven they can't follow the law.
 
evince said:
The Austrian School is a school of economic thought that is based on methodological individualism – the concept that social phenomena result from the motivations and actions of individuals.[1][2][3] It originated in late-19th and early-20th century Vienna with the work of Carl Menger, Eugen Böhm von Bawerk, Friedrich von Wieser, and others.[4] It was methodologically opposed to the Prussian Historical School (in a dispute known as Methodenstreit). Current-day economists working in this tradition are located in many different countries, but their work is still referred to as Austrian economics.
Among the theoretical contributions of the early years of the Austrian School are the subjective theory of value, marginalism in price theory, and the formulation of the economic calculation problem, each of which has become an accepted part of mainstream economics.[5]
Since the mid-20th century, mainstream economists have been critical of the modern day Austrian School and consider its rejection of mathematical modelling, econometrics and macroeconomic analysis to be outside mainstream economic theory, or "heterodox".[6][7][8] Austrians are likewise critical of mainstream economics.[9] Although the Austrian School has been considered heterodox since the late 1930s, it attracted renewed interest in the 1970s, after Friedrich Hayek shared the 1974 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.[10]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School
 
evince said:
then why do you stay here
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I could ask you the same since you think this country is so racist and isn't the socialist utopia you envision. If you hate America, why don't you move to a liberal country?

the founders NEVER intended what you just said there fool
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What are you babbling about? The founders sure as hell didn't envision forcing people to limit their usage of resources or the redistribution of wealth.

they wrote the post office right into the constitution and made no buts about it being paid for by the people through the government.
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I don't recall objecting to the post office idiot.

you have bought into right wing stupid
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You have a monopoly on stupid.
 
Mainstream economists have argued that Austrians are excessively averse to the use of mathematics and statistics in economics.[70]
Economist Paul Krugman has stated that because Austrians do not use "explicit models" they are unaware of holes in their own thinking.[71]
 
evince said:
no says the facts if you are willing to read facts
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Facts.

Like the fact that Hillary Clinton is the former board director of Walmart.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html
http://www.progressivepress.net/hillary-clinton-was-a-wal-mart-director-for-6-years/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-wage-layoffs-store-closures-column/80225734/

Facts.

Like the fact that Hillary Clinton is bought and paid for by the wealthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2a0ee2-9603-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00000019
https://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdk45ehhgg/hillary-clintons-10-big/

Facts.

Like the fact that Hillary Clinton supports big bank bailouts and subsidies.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...f-bank-bailouts-and-subsidies/article/2585423

Facts.

Like the fact Hillary Clinton was friends with Donald Trump and was even invited to his wedding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/magazine/when-hillary-and-donald-were-friends.html

160316-daly-trump-clinton-tease_dpubuo.jpg


Facts.

Like the fact that you voted for that corporate shill. That bought and paid for puppet.

You are a hypocrite.
 
evince said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism#Economics
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Right-libertarianism[edit]
Main article: Right-libertarianism
Right-libertarianism (or right-wing libertarianism) refers to libertarian political philosophies that advocate negative rights, natural law and a major reversal of the modern welfare state.[87] Right-libertarians strongly support private property rights and defend market distribution of natural resources and private property.[88] This position is contrasted with that of some versions of left-libertarianism, which maintain that natural resources belong to everyone in an egalitarian manner, either unowned or owned collectively.[89] Right-libertarianism includes anarcho-capitalism and laissez-faire, minarchist liberalism.[note 1]
 
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