Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo
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I wasn't talking about Rowles. LV claimed to be a good investigator so I offered him the opportunity to prove it.
I didn't claim they were. But LV426 argued that it is legal to assault or murder a Nazi (in a uniform or not and presenting no danger) because they are an "imminent" threat just for being a Nazi.
My post only addressed his opinions and made no mention of any events although there are records of convictions for some assaults. There was no lie on my part, just some erroneous assumptions or lack of careful reading on yours.
No problem.
Apparently Rowles is a good investigator. It's clear LV isn't since he ran from a chance to prove his claims. He was thrown a bone with specific directions and still failed to back up his claims.
Mott the Hoople
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I don’t know about the National Government but that’s certainly a privilege of local governments.
For example there’s a Statue in Bucyrus Ohio of Col. William Crawford. He was a Colonel in the regular Army during the Indian wars. During a raid into Ohio to punish Native Americans for their attacks on the Pennsylvania frontier Col. Crawford’s militia was attacked by the Shawnee and routed. Crawford was captured and executed by the Shawnee. He was horribly tortured before being burned at the stake where he was literally slow roasted to prolong his agony. Witnesses testified to the horrific manor in which Crawford was executed and the extreme courage he exhibited while being executed.
In his honor, after Ohio was settled, the region where he was executed was named Crawford County. Bucyrus being the county seat. Quite an honor for a brave American soldier who died courageously for his country, right?
Now let’s take a look at the Native American side of the story.
Crawford was the new commander of the Pennsylvania Militia that had been ignominiously defeated prior to his execution by the Shawnee. It had previously been lead by Lt. Col. David Williamson. Williamson had led the previous Pennsylvania Militua raid into Ohio. Near present day Coshocton, Ohio the discovered a community of Moravian Indians. The Moravians were Christian converts and were not party to the Frontier fighting and were well known as pacifist. There were about 100 old men, women and children. The men had traveled to another town to bring in the harvest. Williamson had these old men, women and children executed by having the militiamen crush their heads in with a copper mallet. It was a massacre decried up and down the frontier and it seriously pissed the Indians off.
After returning Williamson was discharged and replaced by Col. Crawford who was instructed to organize another raid. Their mission was to teach the Indians another lesson. Unfortunately for Crawford this time he ran into Shawnee warriors and not pacifist Moravians and were routed and Crawford captured.
Crawford was tried by the Shawnee as a war criminal responsible for the Moravian massacre. Crawford plead that he wasn’t there, that Williamson had committed the atrocity but the presented Crawford with orders he had written for his men to kill all Indians, men, women and children, the cane across. That sealed Crawford’s fate. He was painted black and executed as a war criminal.
Now there is a statue honoring Col. Crawford in Bucyrus Ohio. To Ohio settlers he was an innocent soldier who died bravely under horrific circumstances.
But what if there was a significant Native American population in Bucyrus? Should they not be rightfully disgusted that there is a statue honoring a war criminal? Absolutely they should be.
And that’s my point. Times and communities change. Just like in Charlottesville where Robert E. Lee is no longer seen by the University as the diefied paragon of the Civil War but as a man who fought to preserve the institution of slavery.
Since that is the current view of the man, within that community, why shouldn’t they take his statue down if he no longer reflects their beliefs and values.
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I never claimed you were Millennial, though you've made that claim of me.
I've spit forth "OK Boomer" to you on numerous occasions.
And what did you learn when he did?
Right, because you lack empathy.
Ah, so it was merely political correctness that those black people were shot in their church by a Confederate-flag waving racist?
Why do you want to erase history for political correctness, Flash?
So on the one hand, Flash says tearing down Confederate flags and memorials will "erase history", but on the other hand, says that history is "B.S."
Sure...until you got to the point that you felt threatened by that flag because of what it represents intimidates you.
See, the thing is, you've never had the experience of having something that represents your slavery and lynchings in your face, in public places, for your entire life.
You just lack empathy. You're a sociopath.
Yup. You don't want to kill Nazis? You're dishonoring what the Greatest Generation fought for, then.
I never thought you were a Millennial and I challenge you to find any link or post of mine that made that accusation.
What I did accuse you of was being a Boomer, and you maintained you were Gen X, but being a Boomer is a state of mind, and you have that state of mind.
See, Flash is a racist and wants to dumbly pretend as if the Confederate Flag doesn't represent all the hate and bigotry of 155 years of Jim Crow, lynchings, and segregation. Flash must be pretty dumb to think the flag represents anything other than that, and was used as a tool for anything other than that.
You are so full of it. I commented on something that happened many years in the past and you claimed I didn't know anything about stuff back then because "you are a millennial like I am."
And I would never claim I was a Generation X because I am not (nor a Boomer).
LV426 uses the "race" card and thinks an insult is a legitimate argument.
And if we became a fascist state like you desire and ban that flag, that guy couldn't kill people in a church. LV426 logic.
Lets say Trenton NJ wants to expand a road, and add two lanes to that road. Lets say they take down an American Flag pole in a public park, and have to move a statue in that public park, to make way for the added two lanes. That is such an unimportant story that it would not make the national news. No one would even care.
When New Orleans decides to take down a flag pole with the Confederate Flag, and moves a statue commemorating cop killers, the Alt Right has a heart attack. They demand that New Orleans taxpayers support Alt Right terrorist heroes forever. They say any government that does not support an anti-American flag is "fascist".
Why is the Confederate Flag so much more important than the American Flag? America takes down American Flag poles all the time, and honestly, no one cares.
What a governmental body does is a separate issue than a person having the freedom to display whatever flag he chooses. The citizens of New Orleans should let their views be known about any actions of the city council.
If the city of New Orleans banned any symbols or flags carried by private citizens or organizations it would be unconstitutional.
Flash is putting forward hypotheticals that have no basis in reality. What has happened is people have tried to force the City of New Orleans to keep a cop killer monument against their will.
New Orleans was your hypothetical, not mine. Because some people tried to "force" NO to do something doesn't mean much unless those people vote. We don't really how what percentage of the people favored or opposed the action.
Is that you LV?
I never said that. Find the fucking post. Go ahead, find it. I'm not a Millennial. I was born in the 70's. You're confusing me with someone else.
Flash, back up. You hold two contradictory arguments;
On the one hand, you say tearing down and banning flags and monuments "erase history", but on the other hand you say that the historical context is all "BS".
So which is it, Flash?
You said that people should just get over what happened to their ancestors by folks who took that banner and waved it about because they live successful lives today...except of course, for the people killed by the same folks who wave that flag about.
Why do you think Dylan Roof posed with a Confederate Flag?
Those are not contradictory. I said your contention that any flags or symbols should be limited to historical context is BS. While they certainly belong in museums, nobody has the power to limit them to that context.
Only permitting something in an approved "proper" context reeks of McCarthyism and the Un-American Activities Committee type of censorship.
Do you think tearing down Union, WWI, or WWII monuments erases history?