And if that flag was banned Roof would have never killed anybody? I guess you think violent video games creates murderers.
Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo
- Thread starter Guno צְבִי
- Start date
And if that flag was banned Roof would have never killed anybody? I guess you think violent video games creates murderers.
Sure we do. We have that ability in a museum. You agreed that was the proper context before realizing that admitting that meant the other half of your argument, that "context is BS" makes no sense.
So you're arguing that tearing down and banning the flags "erases history", while waving them about without their historical context does not.
You can't have it both ways.
How is banning the Confederate Flag and taking it down reek of McCarthyism?
No, I don't. But you seem to think so. Like, if we took down a monument you'd suddenly forget who lost the Civil War.
Don't know that, but he made his racist intent pretty clear with who he targeted and what flag he was posing with.
So you're trying to draw an equivalence between video games and the Confederate flag?
Well, you agreed with me before that the flag belongs in a museum, where it can be placed in its proper context. Then you said tearing flags down outside of a museum is "erasing history", but can't reconcile how waving it about outside of the context doesn't erase the history of the flag?
I have posts where you claimed you had such good investigative skills you could do all sorts of things if you had a chance to look me in the face. I gave you that chance by providing your directions. What was your response. It was to go into hiding.
It is not an either/or situation.
A museum and a monument have a historical context and those items should be displayed.
Somebody waving a flag around "without their historical context" is their freedom to do so. That person's actions do not require historical context--it is freedom of expression or just plain freedom. And they do not require government approval in a free society.
By saying a museum is the proper context in no way limits it to a museum. That is not contradictory--just common sense.
No, I never agreed that the flag should be limited to a museum. I said any proper museum would include it as part of history. Thinking you can limit it is just silly. Flying a flag outside a museum does not erase anything.
There is more evidence video games lead to violence (although it is poorly done research) than any showing a Confederate flag causes any violence.
So you think if he had no access to a Confederate flag he would not have committed murder?
No, and taking down WWI, WWII, or Union monuments would not make us forget who won those wars. Why don't we tear them down also?
Better, why don't we let people do what they want to. We follow the 1st amendment and don't ban anything and people who want to build museums and monuments can do so.
We have museums to Japanese and Germany culture. Do those celebrate a culture that committed atrocious acts, enslaved Korean women for sex slaves, murdered millions of Jews and innocent civilians?
They declared war on our country and served as enemy combatants (like the CSA).
Yes it is.
It is very black and white.
To argue that the Confederate Flag means anything other than the long, sordid history of the flag (history you said deserves to be on display in a museum setting), is to erase the history of that flag.
So you are calling it "erasing history" if the flag is ripped down, but you don't say those who wave it about aren't erasing the history of the flag when you claim it "means" something different to them. Could it be that they are being disingenuous with you, FLash, when they say that the flag represents something else? Like lying to you so they have an excuse to wave something of which they are fully cognizant and aware of its historical context?
Or are you of the mindset that people don't bullshit and lie?
Right, so waving it outside of that context means you're erasing the historical context of that flag.
That's what you're arguing, Flash.
Cool. So you'd be totally OK with me waving a flag depicting your house on fire, your charred family's corpses on the front lawn, with an image of me dancing and laughing, holding a gas can and lit match, in your face, every day, everywhere you went, even among your neighbors, for the rest of your life? So that every time you left your house, you were confronted with that imagery. You'd be OK with that? Or would you go running to the cops claiming "harassment" or "intimidation"?
Flash is for the erasing of history, just not if someone else does it.
AH! So if it's a part of history, waving it about without that proper historical context would be erasing the flag's history, wouldn't it?
Then tearing it down doesn't erase history either. And the thrust of your initial argument, that you put into words on this thread, was that tearing those dumb things down and banning them would "erase history" (YOUR WORDS).
Getin the ring
Verified User
I love triggered liberals,
"get rid of that inanimate object"
great analogy
Its like I'm responding to retards
"get rid of that inanimate object"
great analogy
Its like I'm responding to retards
There is no solid scientific evidence that video games cause violence and you know how I know that? They have the same video games in Japan we have here and violence there is nothing compared to violence here.
Dylan Roof literally posed with a Confederate Flag before shooting up a church of black people.
Japan has the same video games we have, yet don't have the same level of violence.
So it's not the video games that cause violence. But the Confederate Flag does, and that is proven from the lynchings during Reconstruction all the way up through the massacre perpetrated by Dylan Roof.