Who knows? I don't really care what Dylan Roof thinks, I care about what the victims think.
It was enough of a connection for South Carolina to tear that dumb thing down from its state grounds.
Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo
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Who knows? I don't really care what Dylan Roof thinks, I care about what the victims think.
It was enough of a connection for South Carolina to tear that dumb thing down from its state grounds.
I love triggered liberals,
"get rid of that inanimate object"
"I am offended"!
I am offended by stupid liberals. Let's start getting rid of them
Because they won.
Because that is anarchy.
The 1A is not absolute, and there are limits to free speech all the time. Like, for instance, burning a cross on someone's lawn.
The problem Flash, is that the Confederacy was defined by its white supremacy; that's why I ask you, what history does the Confederate Flag teach that the Articles of Secession do not?
No, you're just talking to yourself.
Hatred and prejudice or mental illness caused lynchings and shootings, not flags. Nothing was "proven."
I do agree with you about the silly notion video games cause violence. It is equally silly to attribute violence to flags.
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"Japan’s rising sun flag has a history of horror. It must be banned at the Tokyo Olympics"
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I'm not sure liberals stand for anything anymore,
they accuse Trump of corruption but they voted for Hillary
think about that for a minute
Hatred and prejudice...represented in the flag.
You said yourself that was its history, Flash.
You're trying to say history doesn't matter while screeching that it does.
Make up your damn mind.
Cool cool cool, so you'd be OK with me waving a flag about that depicted the murder of your family, and have that flag appear everywhere you go, in your face, every day, for the rest of your life?
Or would you go screaming to the cops about intimidation or harassment? I think you'd be the screamer.
Then let's not tear down anything and allow anybody to wave whatever flag they choose.
Everybody gets what they want except the fascists who ignore the 1st amendment and want to have control over the actions and views of others and even willing to use violence against those you disagree with.
Yeah, it should be. It should embarrass anyone to wave that flag about. Just like it should embarrass anyone to wave the Confederate Flag about. Just like it should embarrass anyone to argue a flag has historical context one minute, but not the next.
Now wait a second, Flash. You didn't answer for your about-face on this whole "history" thing.
You started your argument saying that tearing down that flag "erases history".
Then, when confronted with the historical context, you sudden;y reverse yourself and say that the flag doesn't have any historical context...your exact words were "context is BS". Yet, the argument you're making is that the context with which the flag is waved about outside of museum setting matters because any attempts to ban it would "erase history".
So you're making masturbatory and circular arguments, and I don't think you even realize it. Or you do, and don't want to give me the satisfaction. Whatever the answer is, it sucks.
My what a little fucking temper tantrum you showed there; you can't reconcile the fact that your argument self-contradicts, so you act like a drama queen and accuse others of being fascists when you're the one encouraging the erasing of history by letting that freak flag fly.
Things change. What is represented to some people 160 years ago is not the same thing it represents today for many people. Even if it does, we are free to express those views.
I much rather have a symbol of hatred than violence and murder you have advocated for Nazis or those guys in the wildlife refuge in OR where you wanted them all shot. You blame violence on a flag but advocate violence against humans.
Very hypocritical. You obviously don't mine violence if it is against those you dislike. But you are free to advocate violence because it is protected speech and I support that. But it certainly is more dangerous than a flag.
Only in your contorted logic which is based on purely prejudiced views. I support freedom and would allow any group to display whatever symbols and flags they want whether it erases anything or not. A person waving a CSA flag is very different than tearing down a monument dedicated to men who died in a war.
That guy waving that flag is not erasing anything.
Tearing down that monument does not erase history of the war, but it does erase the monument to those men. But that is the decision of local authorities if they choose to remove it.
Do they change or are they erased? Because by waving that flag about without its history and pretending it represents something else, that's erasing the history of the flag, isn't it?
I mean, Flash, this isn't even about that.
You made this about "erasing history", but got tripped up on the fact that pretending that you're waving the flag because of "heritage" would be erasing the history of that flag.
Come on, it is not that complicated.
The historical context is in a museum or similar displays. That is historical context.
It does not have the same historical context if a guy wants to wave it in a park, street corner, or home. But that is an irrelevant issue since he can wave it for any reason he chooses.
To make it simple, you are the only one who wants to ban something because you don't like it although it would be unconstitutional. I want to follow the Constitution.
If you don't think Nazis should be killed, then we don't have a difference of opinion, we have a difference of morality.
Flash, you said the flag represents the history of slavery and white supremacy, and that's why it shouldn't be banned. Now you're saying that it doesn't represent those things, but tearing it down would erase the history you said was important, but then said was BS.