The flag is a tool of intimidation because of what it stands for.
So if you wave it about and claim it stands for something ad-hoc, then that means you're erasing the history and replacing it with a version of your own.
Total douchebag move.
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Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo
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The flag is a tool of intimidation because of what it stands for.
So if you wave it about and claim it stands for something ad-hoc, then that means you're erasing the history and replacing it with a version of your own.
Total douchebag move.
You're the one who said tearing them down "erases history"...then you said that history is "BS".
::shrugs::
You're the one that said you could do all sorts of things if you looked me in the eye. I gave you directions. Are you coming or not?
The flag is a tool of intimidation because of what it stands for.
So if you wave it about and claim it stands for something ad-hoc, then that means you're erasing the history and replacing it with a version of your own.
Total douchebag move.
Only you can decide if it intimidates you. You can't decide the intent by the one flying it.
It erases nothing.
Ah, so here you are flip-flopping back to the position that the flag represents nothing. After arguing that it means something because tearing it down would "erase history".
What history is erased? None, according to you, and all of it, also according to you.
Hate speech is banned all the time.
Waving the flag about is hate speech because of the history of it and what it represents.
You seem to think that representation is fungible but only within the context of your argument.
It's why you've never been able to answer the question as to what the Confederate Flag teaches that the Articles of Secession do not?
It's not hate speech because you get your feelings hurt.
waving the rainbow flag around represents behavior some people find offensive, reprehensible and against their beliefs
Interesting how you think slavery and white supremacy are things some people don't find offensive.
That seems to be the crux of the problem.
Interesting how you think slavery and white supremacy are things some people don't find offensive.
That seems to be the crux of the problem.
People find all sorts of things offensive. That doesn't mean you have the right to tell them they can't do it.
The crux of the problem is you pussies that get your feelings easily hurt expect others to do things the way you want them to.
The flag is a tool of intimidation because of what it stands for.
So if you wave it about and claim it stands for something ad-hoc, then that means you're erasing the history and replacing it with a version of your own.
Total douchebag move.
People are free to wave whatever flag they choose regardless of whether erases history or not. If I own a gun or knife that can be a tool of intimidation, but it is not illegal unless my behavior intends to intimidate someone.
Interesting how you think slavery and white supremacy are things some people don't find offensive.
That seems to be the crux of the problem.
Offensive speech as well as hate speech are both constitutionally protected freedoms. If we banned everything someone thinks is offensive there is nothing left--Confederate flags and symbols, rainbow flag, German and Japanese flags and symbols, Mexican flag, signs and TV ads promoting political candidates and those attacking candidates, celebrities and preachers making political statements, boycotts of business because of their political views, counter-protests,.............
Ah, so here you are flip-flopping back to the position that the flag represents nothing. After arguing that it means something because tearing it down would "erase history".
What history is erased? None, according to you, and all of it, also according to you.
You make simplistic, unwarranted conclusions from simple statements. The flag may represent something, but that varies tremendously by individuals.
You said the Union flag represents the side that won the war, but most people would not give that answer to that question. People are not all the same.
Now you're getting it.
So when someone waves that flag outside of a museum, claiming it stands for "heritage", that's erasing the history of what that flag stood for. And you said the flag represents slavery and white supremacy on this thread. So therefore, waving it about for any other reason would be erasing the history of the flag.
That is OK. People are free to wave any flag and erase any history they choose. It is far better than the alternative which is letting some fascist decide 1) what the flag stands for 2) when and how it can be displayed.
There are still museums, monuments, statues, and history books to tell us about the Civil War & Reconstruction which does a much better, accurate, and complete picture than anything "erased" by waving a flag.
If I am aware of that history it does not get erased because I see somebody with a flag. It probably reminds me of that history.
Hate speech is banned all the time.
BS. Hate speech is protected speech and cannot be banned (by government). Give us one example of hate speech that is prohibited for all citizens in any designated area. Private college can ban it on their campus or in your home, but that is private.
Don't confuse hate speech and hate crimes. Speech can never be a crime unless it is a threat or obscenity.
If you wave that thing about for any other reason than to signify your support of the history of that flag, you're erasing the history of that flag.
We have to discern the intent of that person? If he waves the flag to signify his support of the history of that flag or any other reason that (in your view) erases the history, he is still free to do so under our 1st amendment unless we get people like you on the Supreme Court.
You're the one who said tearing them down "erases history"...then you said that history is "BS".
::shrugs::
Dishonest bastard. I said your view of historical context is BS if you claim the flag is limited to display in a museum (or other such context). Saying a CSA flag belongs in a museum is not the same thing as saying it is limited to a museum. Try to understand the difference.
Unless...you're going to say the heritage is slavery and white supremacy, which would make the flag a tool of intimidation, wouldn't it?
WRONG. Nothing is a tool of intimidation unless it is used in an intimidating manner accompanied by intimidating behavior. Waving a flag meets none of those standards.
You did not comment on my post about you calling for authorities to kill those guys on the wildlife refuge. Isn't that pushing for violent behavior much worse than being offended by a flag?
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That is OK. People are free to wave any flag and erase any history they choose. It is far better than the alternative which is letting some fascist decide 1) what the flag stands for 2) when and how it can be displayed.
Wait so NOW you're OK with erasing history?
Well, that's a reversal of your previous position. So you flip-flopped and ended up making an ass of yourself along the way.
Well done.
There are still museums, monuments, statues, and history books to tell us about the Civil War & Reconstruction which does a much better, accurate, and complete picture than anything "erased" by waving a flag.
Ah, but the flag stands for and represents white supremacy and slavery, as you said so yourself.
So if you're now saying none of that matters, then you can no longer make the argument that tearing them down erases history.
It is far better than the alternative which is letting some fascist decide 1) what the flag stands for 2) when and how it can be displayed.
Why not? There are rules of how to display an American flag.
If I am aware of that history it does not get erased because I see somebody with a flag. It probably reminds me of that history.
But what if you're not aware of the history?
BS. Hate speech is protected speech and cannot be banned (by government). Give us one example of hate speech that is prohibited for all citizens in any designated area. Private college can ban it on their campus or in your home, but that is private.
So you moved the bar. No, not all hate speech is protected. Like burning a cross, for instance.