And the threat posed by the Confederate Flag is hateful, isn't it? I mean, if you're not erasing the flag's history.
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Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo
- Thread starter Guno צְבִי
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And the threat posed by the Confederate Flag is hateful, isn't it? I mean, if you're not erasing the flag's history.
We have to discern the intent of that person?
YOU SAID SO MANY TIMES that the flag represents white supremacy and slavery. To pretend that isn't what it represents erases the history you are so adamant we preserve.
he is still free to do so under our 1st amendment unless we get people like you on the Supreme Court.
Look man, you want to erase history, not me. You're the one who started your argument off by saying that taking them down and banning them "erases history". Then, when you realized that waving it about also erases history, you switched your tactics to argue that the history doesn't even matter at all.
You can't keep your argument straight from post to post.
Dishonest bastard. I said your view of historical context is BS if you claim the flag is limited to display in a museum (or other such context).
Don't wet your old man diapers.
What you said was "historical context is BS". That's what you said, immediately after arguing that the flag has a history that shouldn't be erased. Only, you think it should be erased. That's your position.
Saying a CSA flag belongs in a museum is not the same thing as saying it is limited to a museum.
Why does it belong in a museum?
Wait so NOW you're OK with erasing history?
Well, that's a reversal of your previous position. So you flip-flopped and ended up making an ass of yourself along the way.
Well done.
You need to read my post again. I said people are free to erase history if they choose (although waving a flag is a far cry from erasing anything) and that is ok because it supports freedom over fascist censorship.
You don't seem to grasp the concept of freedom and think our Constitution allows us to prohibit hate speech or "tools of oppression." Yet, you think waving a flag is worse than advocating killing people because they wear a Nazi uniform or occupy a wildlife reserve.
So, killing people is ok but waving a flag should be banned. Your values are very perverted. Tolerance and love are values you should investigate.
WRONG. Nothing is a tool of intimidation unless it is used in an intimidating manner accompanied by intimidating behavior. Waving a flag meets none of those standards.
Waving that flag does. Like I said before, if I waved a flag in your face that depicted the burning of your house and family, with me dancing around the charred corpses, laughing while holding a gas can and lit match, and then I waved that flag in your face everywhere you went, had your neighbors fly it, for the rest of your life, you'd call that "harassment" and "intimidation", and my defense would be your post where you said I wasn't waving it in an intimidating manner (not even sure how that could be...like...wave it really really hard?), therefore it's not intimidation.
WRONG. Nothing is a tool of intimidation unless it is used in an intimidating manner accompanied by intimidating behavior. Waving a flag meets none of those standards.
You did not comment on my post about you calling for authorities to kill those guys on the wildlife refuge. Isn't that pushing for violent behavior much worse than being offended by a flag?
How does one wave a flag in an intimidating manner?
You need to read my post again. I said people are free to erase history if they choose
WHAT?
You were screeching about two dozen posts ago that it's fascist to erase history.
Man...you're just...lost.
You don't seem to grasp the concept of freedom and think our Constitution allows us to prohibit hate speech or "tools of oppression."
Hard to argue that given the history of that flag, it's not a tool of oppression.
Even though that is precisely why monuments and flags popped up all over the South beginning with Reconstruction.
So back up...why does the flag belong in a museum?
So, killing people is ok but waving a flag should be banned. Your values are very perverted. Tolerance and love are values you should investigate.
Nazis aren't people. They're Nazis.
Why does it belong in a museum?
To give a complete picture of the culture and events surrounding the Civil War. Weapons, uniforms, maps, flags, symbols, documents are some examples that belong in museums. But, since you don't fail to grasp this concept, those things are not limited to museums.
A Confederate flag does not erase history whether displayed inside or outside that museum. It just makes history a little less descriptive. If somebody does not know its meaning when displayed outside the museum, you can fill in the details for anyone interested.
Nazis aren't people. They're Nazis.
Who are equal under the law and you can be executed for killing one. But nobody can be prosecuted for displaying any flag.
Killing=bad
displaying flag=a protected freedom
Should a person be prosecuted for burning an American flag?
To give a complete picture of the culture and events surrounding the Civil War.
OK, so it definitely has historical context.
So waving it outside of that historical context, would be erasing that historical context...context you sought fit for museums.
So you support erasing history.
A Confederate flag does not erase history whether displayed inside or outside that museum.
Yes it does, and you just argued that it does when you say it is part of a complete picture (aka context) of the culture and events surrounding THE CIVIL WAR.
That is its context! You just said so.
Hard to argue that given the history of that flag, it's not a tool of oppression.
Even though that is precisely why monuments and flags popped up all over the South beginning with Reconstruction.
So back up...why does the flag belong in a museum?
It is not hard to argue at all. What is impossible to argue is that anything is a tool of oppression unless oppressive conduct is occurring. It is the behavior, not the flag, that oppresses.
It is only hard to argue it is not a tool of oppression if you are not familiar with 1st amendment rights.
It just makes history a little less descriptive
You mean, it removes the context.
So...you say the flag belongs in the context of the museum to give the context (aka "complete picture") of the culture and events surrounding the Civil War. But if you pull it out of that context, then you erase the history of its culture and events surrounding the Civil War.
So thanks for making my case for me.
If somebody does not know its meaning when displayed outside the museum, you can fill in the details for anyone interested.
So it's my obligation to make sure history isn't erased? Well that's precisely why it should be banned except for in a museum. Oy vey, Flash.
Who are equal under the law
No they're not. They're Nazis. They're not equal. They like to say how they're not equal. They like to say how they're superior. That's what being a Nazi is all about.
And you're on their side. So that makes you a Nazi too.
WHAT?
You were screeching about two dozen posts ago that it's fascist to erase history.
Man...you're just...lost.
You really need to read that post again. Please tell me the # of the post you are talking about.
I said it was fascist to try to limit the freedom of anyone to display whatever or for anyone to try to tell others what is permissible to display or what something stands for.
Which part of Civil War history do you forget when you see a Confederate flag? You need to learn not to get so triggered when you see something you dislike.
How does one wave a flag in an intimidating manner?
Now you are grasping it. Waving a flag is not intimidating. If I get in your face (with or without a flag) in an aggressive manner that would cause a reasonable person to want to lash out that is not protected speech.
Think of the Indian with the drum getting in the student's face while beating that drum. The student was reasonable and just stood there creating no danger of violence. Had he pushed the guy way or warned him to get away the police could have asked the Indian to move on or be arrested. Now the kid is rich because of defamation in the media.