Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo

LV426 said:
No they're not. They're Nazis. They're not equal. They like to say how they're not equal. They like to say how they're superior. That's what being a Nazi is all about.

And you're on their side. So that makes you a Nazi too.
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What simplistic BS. I favor equal constitutional rights for everyone so that means I'm a Nazi because they get the same rights as everyone else? You would have loved McCarthy.

What rights or due process doesn't a Nazi have that anybody else has? Can you give an example of a case that a Nazi was denied equal rights? You never provided an example of a Nazi that was killed or assaulted in which nobody was prosecuted for it because he was a Nazi.

We are talking about basic legal and constitutional principles you obviously failed to learn. There is nothing controversial or debatable about my statements of fact.

I'm sure you will drop this whole assertion when you realize how wrong you are like you did the previous discussions.
 
LV426 said:
If you wave that thing about for any other reason than to signify your support of the history of that flag, you're erasing the history of that flag.
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What does it make you forget about that history? Even if we accept your wild claim it is still the person's freedom and right to wave any flag or symbol he chooses--erasing history or not.

People display Confederate flags all the time and I don't see anything that has been erased.
 
LV426 said:
So it's my obligation to make sure history isn't erased? Well that's precisely why it should be banned except for in a museum. Oy vey, Flash.
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Not you alone. Others will have to help because you would have forgotten a lot of that history when it was erased after you saw a Confederate flag.
 
LV426 said:
You mean, it removes the context.

So...you say the flag belongs in the context of the museum to give the context (aka "complete picture") of the culture and events surrounding the Civil War. But if you pull it out of that context, then you erase the history of its culture and events surrounding the Civil War.

So thanks for making my case for me.
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It does not remove the context, it just makes the museum less complete than it could be. A museum about Hiroshima probably can't include an atomic bomb, but it can still provide a good experience.

Seeing a flag erases nothing unless the person never bothered to learn anything about history; and, that person probably has no interest in history or the meaning of the flag.

I have seen many Confederate flags, but none of them erased any context or history for me. Seeing an American flag erases no context, either. Those two flags might represent different ideas, but whatever those ideas are nothing has been erased by viewing them.

Is an American flag a tool of intimidation to a supporter of the CSA?
 
LV426 said:
Yes it does, and you just argued that it does when you say it is part of a complete picture (aka context) of the culture and events surrounding THE CIVIL WAR.

That is its context! You just said so.
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One more time LV. It is not that hard.

I never argued it erased history when shown outside a museum--that is what I keep repeating. I argued a museum is more complete the more symbols and relics it can display. It takes nothing nothing away from the museum display if shown outside that context.

Sometimes I think you just pretend you don't understand so you can continue to argue.
 
Flash said:
One more time LV. It is not that hard.

I never argued it erased history when shown outside a museum--that is what I keep repeating. I argued a museum is more complete the more symbols and relics it can display. It takes nothing nothing away from the museum display if shown outside that context.

Sometimes I think you just pretend you don't understand so you can continue to argue.
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You're trying to reason with a pussy that when he claimed he could do all sorts of things related to me if he looked me in the face, went into hiding when I gave him detailed and specific directions to my location.
 
Flash said:
Now you are grasping it. Waving a flag is not intimidating. If I get in your face (with or without a flag) in an aggressive manner that would cause a reasonable person to want to lash out that is not protected speech.
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The flag is representative of intimidation because of what the flag represents, like you said!

So you argue that the flag belongs in a museum where it can be placed in the proper context (just another way of saying "complete picture"), but you also say that context "is BS".

So you're contradicting your own argument against tearing them down and banning them.
 
Flash said:
Think of the Indian with the drum getting in the student's face while beating that drum. The student was reasonable and just stood there creating no danger of violence. Had he pushed the guy way or warned him to get away the police could have asked the Indian to move on or be arrested. Now the kid is rich because of defamation in the media.
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So imagine being a black person and seeing the Confederate flag everywhere you go; in public places, on cars, on people's houses...now try and imagine if instead of a black person, it's you, and instead of the Confederate Flag, it was a flag that depicted your house on fire, your family dead, and me dancing around the corpses with a lit match and gas can, laughing.

Now try and tell me that isn't intimidation.
 
Flash said:
I said it was fascist to try to limit the freedom of anyone to display whatever or for anyone to try to tell others what is permissible to display or what something stands for.
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What you literally said on this thread was that tearing those dumb things down and banning them "erases history".

That was your starting position.

Now you're saying that the history doesn't matter...after arguing that it was the most important thing that shouldn't be erased.

You're running in circles.
 
Flash said:
What does it make you forget about that history?
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No...but you argue it does. Your argument is that tearing the flags down "erases history", but waving them about outside of the museum historical context, where you literally said it can be a part of "the complete picture", isn't.

So your argument is cognitive dissonance.
 
Flash said:
Not you alone. Others will have to help because you would have forgotten a lot of that history when it was erased after you saw a Confederate flag.
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So now you're admitting that waving a flag about outside of its historical context erases the history of that flag.

Why does the flag belong in a museum? Because, as you said, it is there where you get to see how it fits as part of the "complete picture".

How is that "complete picture" captured by someone waving the flag about outside of a museum?

You said it was fascist to erase history, but here you are, arguing in defense of doing just that.
 
Flash said:
Not you alone. Others will have to help because you would have forgotten a lot of that history when it was erased after you saw a Confederate flag.
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So now you're admitting that waving a flag about outside of its historical context erases the history of that flag.

Why does the flag belong in a museum? Because, as you said, it is there where you get to see how it fits as part of the "complete picture".

How is that "complete picture" captured by someone waving the flag about outside of a museum?

You said it was fascist to erase history, but here you are, arguing in defense of doing just that.
 
Flash said:
It does not remove the context
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Yes it does, Flash!

You said that the context is in the museum, where it can be seen as part of "the complete picture".

So if it's being waved about, without being a part of the complete picture, then you are erasing its history because you're waving it about without the full context you said was the reason it should be in a museum.
 
Flash said:
I never argued it erased history when shown outside a museum
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But you are arguing that, Flash.

I asked you why you thought it belonged in a museum, and you said that its because it can be placed within the "complete picture" of the culture and history of the Civil War.

So therefore, if you wave it about outside of a museum, then you no longer get that placement within the complete picture.

Instead, you supplant that context (or, remove it from the big picture), therefore erasing the history of it.

If you pulled just the river out of the background of the Mona Lisa, is it still the Mona Lisa?
 
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