Civil War museum gets rid of Confederate flag on new logo

[LV426]

Intimidation is not a freedom. But displaying a flag is not intimidation.

Yes it is if that flag represents white supremacy and slavery, which you said it does.

It's like I've said countless times; if I flew a flag in your face that depicted your burning house and the charred corpses of your family, with me dancing it around it holding a lit match and gas can, and flew that flag everywhere you went, all the time, for your entire life, you'd go running to the cops so fast, you'd have no time to put sandals on over your socks.

You are the one who wants to ban flags and symbols and thinks a flag can be a tool of intimidation.

I'm not solely the one who thinks the flag is a tool of intimidation; the people who do and did think that. That's why they do it. That's why they put up all those monuments. That's why they incorporated it into their state flags. That was the intent. We know this, because they said so.

But I guess the campaign to erase that history was successful because here you are, dumbly ignorant of it.

 

[LV426]

Nothing I said compares to that stupidity.

I said I thought the flag should only be in museums.

You're the one who said museums are BS when you said "historical context is BS".

You're the fascist here, Flash.

 

[LV426]

In both cases your legal knowledge is 100% wrong.

At least I am not going around saying history is BS.

 

[Flash]

The PAINTING is called the Mona Lisa, you stupid asshole. The whole painting. Not just the woman in it. FFS, your sophistry is tiresome and pedestrian.

Jesus fucking Christ...

Wow. What a fucking illiterate.

You are getting more hostile as the day progresses. That always means you have run out of substantive arguments when the insults begin.

You would not be so wrong on so many issues if you learned a little bit about basic law and constitutional law. Then you would not make so many crazy claims and I wouldn't have to correct you and you wouldn't get so angry.

 

[LV426]

You are getting more hostile as the day progresses. That always means you have run out of substantive arguments when the insults begin.

No, you're just a dumbfuck and functional illiterate who operates in bad faith because you've done it so much, you don't even know what it means to not act that way.

You would not be so wrong on so many issues if you learned a little bit about basic law and constitutional law. Then you would not make so many crazy claims and I wouldn't have to correct you and you wouldn't get so angry.

What good would any of that do if history is BS, Flash, as you said?

You said historical context is BS, but you also said that it would be terrible to erase history by limiting the flag to a museum.

What a dumbass.

 

[Flash]

Ask black people if they think they're better off seeing the Confederate flag everywhere and having coddled white entitled pricks like you defending it.

Freedom means we all have to see things we might find offensive but must be tolerant.

I find it offensive that you want to destroy our freedoms. I find it offensive you want people shot. I find it offensive you are so violent and insulting. I find it offensive you are ignorant of basic laws. But, I don't want you banned.

 

[Flash]

What good would any of that do if history is BS, Flash, as you said?

You said historical context is BS, but you also said that it would be terrible to erase history by limiting the flag to a museum.

What a dumbass.

I only said your concept of "historical context" is BS because you think it should only be legal to display certain things inside a museum.

But, as usual, you lie and misstate what I said in my post. You would have no arguments if you had to address what people actually said rather than your distortion of them.

Go have a drink. Calm down. Chill. Quit being so hostile.

 

[LV426]

Freedom means we all have to see things we might find offensive but must be tolerant.

No, that's not freedom. That's oppression. Freedom means being able to see things from someone else's perspective. That's not your strong suit.

 

[Flash]

No, that's not freedom. That's oppression. Freedom means being able to see things from someone else's perspective. That's not your strong suit.

I can understand the views of others, I just don't have to agree with them.

If a large number of Americans are offended by banning a flag that means we can't do it using your logic. That is, if the Constitution did not already prohibit such actions.

 

[LV426]

I can understand the views of others, I just don't have to agree with them.

But you don't understand them, Flash. That's the problem. Like you don't understand how the Confederate Flag is a tool of oppression and intimidation. You just. Don't. You're either not able or not willing to understand the perspective of how something can intimidate someone without it intimidating you. The basic trait you lack is empathy.

If a large number of Americans are offended by banning a flag that means we can't do it using your logic.

Again, it's not offense...it's intimidation. It's oppression. It's a matter of listening to other people and not trying to apply your myopic world view to them. Just because something doesn't intimidate you, doesn't mean it doesn't intimidate others...and the Confederate Flag is a tool of intimidation. Just like it was during the Civil War. Just like it was during Reconstruction. Just like it was during Jim Crow. Just like it was during Segregation. Just like it was in Tulsa in 1921. Just like it was in Selma in 1965. Just like it was in Charleston in 2015.

That's the history you erase when you say "historical context is BS, and just let people wave the pretty flag if they want."

 

[Flash]

But you don't understand them, Flash. That's the problem. Like you don't understand how the Confederate Flag is a tool of oppression and intimidation. You just. Don't. You're either not able or not willing to understand the perspective of how something can intimidate someone without it intimidating you. The basic trait you lack is empathy.




Again, it's not offense...it's intimidation. It's oppression. It's a matter of listening to other people and not trying to apply your myopic world view to them. Just because something doesn't intimidate you, doesn't mean it doesn't intimidate others...and the Confederate Flag is a tool of intimidation. Just like it was during the Civil War. Just like it was during Reconstruction. Just like it was during Jim Crow. Just like it was during Segregation. Just like it was in Tulsa in 1921. Just like it was in Selma in 1965. Just like it was in Charleston in 2015.

That's the history you erase when you say "historical context is BS, and just let people wave the pretty flag if they want."

It is not an issue of a lack of understanding on my part. The great majority of Americans would agree with me and think your views are wacko that we should ban things protected by the 1st amendment or think that something is intimidation when it meets none of the elements of that crime. Or, think that government should kill people on a wildlife refuge or kill Nazis.

When you hold such views opposed by the great majority of Americans it is a delusion of your part to think I am in the wrong.

The pathetic part is you actually think it is ok to kill others and ban symbols because you don't agree with what they represent. You lack any sense of morals. Sympathizing with the history of blacks does not require such immoral solutions.

My empathy does not extend to murder, assault, or fascist oppression.

 

[LV426]

It is not an issue of a lack of understanding on my part.

Yes, it totally is. You just are incapable or unwilling to understand what that dumb thing represents, you call its history "BS", and you refuse to accept how it has been -and continues to be- a tool of oppression and intimidation.

You just don't have empathy and it's impossible for you to see anything that isn't your own myopic, narrow perspective.

You're an ignoramus, and you're proud of it.

Sad.

 

[LV426]

The great majority of Americans would agree with me

So again, this is exactly the problem. You think that just because you're comfortable, everyone else should be comfortable too. That's because you have no empathy and are a true sociopath. That's why you always try to BoThSiDeS everything, because you are fearful of the inconvenience of having to choose a side. Because you are privileged, you really bear no consequences of anything. Because you're not a targeted group, you can avoid. You have the luxury of disconnecting because of your inherent status. And you close yourself off because what's most important to you is that people perceive you as a reasonable person, when you're not.

Reasonable people don't call history "BS".

 

[Micawber]

Why should the Republican logo be allowed to stand?

 

[LV426]

that we should ban things protected by the 1st amendment or think that something is intimidation when it meets none of the elements of that crime.

So if I waved a flag that depicted your house burned to a crisp, the charred corpses of your family on the front lawn, your lifeless body hanging from a tree, as I dance around it all, laughing with a lit gas can and match, and waved that flag in your face, had it everywhere you went in public, got your neighbors to wave it, and you had to see it every day, everywhere you went, for the rest of your life, you wouldn't go screaming that it's intimidation?

Yeah fucking right.

 

[LV426]

When you hold such views opposed by the great majority of Americans it is a delusion of your part to think I am in the wrong.

I mean, you have advocated for the erasing of history, Flash. And it doesn't matter if a "great majority" of Americans oppose it...a great majority of Americans voted for Clinton.

The pathetic part is you actually think it is ok to kill others and ban symbols because you don't agree with what they represent.

YOU SAID THE FLAG REPRESENTS SLAVERY AND WHITE SUPREMACY.

Those were your words, Flash.

You don't consider slavery and white supremacy intimidation and oppression?

LOL. OK Boomer.

 

[Micawber]

So if I waved a flag that depicted your house burned to a crisp, the charred corpses of your family on the front lawn, your lifeless body hanging from a tree, as I dance around it all, laughing with a lit gas can and match, and waved that flag in your face, had it everywhere you went in public, got your neighbors to wave it, and you had to see it every day, everywhere you went, for the rest of your life, you wouldn't go screaming that it's intimidation?

Yeah fucking right.

Why if you did all that you'd be celebrating Southern heritage.

 

[LV426]

You lack any sense of morals. Sympathizing with the history of blacks does not require such immoral solutions.

Again, it's not sympathy, Flash, it's empathy.

That's the trait you lack.

Sympathizing with someone isn't the same thing as empathizing with them.

You don't seem to have the capacity for empathy, and you confuse it with sympathy because these are both somewhat foreign concepts to you.

 

[LV426]

Why if you did all that you'd be celebrating Southern heritage.

LOL. Exactly. It's just heritage, man, get over it.

 

[LV426]

My empathy does not extend to murder, assault, or fascist oppression.

You don't have empathy. You don't even really have sympathy. What you do is invalidate perspective because it makes you uncomfortable. That's not empathy. That's not sympathy. It's cowardice.

If you have to empathize with those who are the victims and targets of intimidation that flag represents, then you couldn't possibly argue on its behalf because of what it causes others.

So you invalidate those people by posturing that "a great majority" opposes removing the flags, even though we've learned that when it comes to the great majority, whether or not you validate that depends on whether or not it conforms to your myopic world view and comfort. Like how a great majority support Medicare for All, or like how a great majority support calling for witnesses in an impeachment trial, or like how a great majority voted for Hillary Clinton.

You're just not that great a person. You're mediocre. You're a fool.

A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.
Well, God give them wisdom that have it; and those that are fools, let them use their talents.