Climate Change - Yet another UN report

it is not possible to measure global sea level. There is no valid reference point.

JFK is 12 ft ASL. It has been 12 ft ASL since it was built in 1948.
BFI is 13 ft ASL. It has been 13 ft ASL since it was built in 1928.
Shipyards that built ships in 1880 are still there and they are still operating.

Good point - the Church of Anthropogenic Global Warming lies profusely - pathologically - but come on - they have GRAPHS, so you must BLEEVE.

Yeah, every prediction they've ever made was laughably false (The Himalayas will be SNOW FREE by 2000) - but come on, they have GRAPHS!
 
Is the equator desert?

No. The equator is a latitude (latitude zero). The Nyiri desert lies directly on the equator.
Most of the equator is ocean. Most land areas at the equator are lush jungle.

Most deserts occur about 15 deg latitude above and below the equator.

People live at all of these locations.

The largest desert in the world is at latitude 90 deg S (Antarctica, centered over the south pole). There is an encampment of people living there.

No one lives at 90 deg N. There is no land there.

I myself was born in the desert of the U.S. at approx 44 deg N. (the high deserts of the Western US). Yes...people live there.

One of the largest cities in the world is at 19 deg N and located in a desert (Mexico City).

Now do you still want to argue over latitudes, as if it somehow made any difference to your religion?
 
Yeah, but the shysters and frauds are lining their pockets with our money....

Yes. Socialism is based on theft of wealth. Indeed, socialism cannot exist without capitalism (which is the only system that creates wealth) to steal from.
Once socialism runs out of places to steal wealth from, it collapses.

Capitalism can always create wealth out of nothing. All it takes is innovation and drive (and some raw materials in many cases). It needs no government to 'manage' it. Anyone can play.
 
There odds of having their heart cut out are significantly lower.

Oh, and they have the wheel...

I liked the irony of no wheel. But the fields for the ball game they played has these nice circular "wheel-like" things. I can only imagine that they simply had no need for a wheel qua wheel.

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Like you know anything about this.

Ohh, show us a GRAPH!

Graphs to AGW cultists are like speaking in tongues to Pentecostals..

Sure, it's all made up bullshit, but it shows the devotion of the believer..

LOL. The fact that you don't see that you just gutted your own position is actually kind of entertaining. I'll let you puzzle out what howler you just made.

ROFL

You're as desperate as you are stupid.

Is that a tactic your priests tell you to try?

No one says there is a correct temperature. The key is "change".

But your church says that we are at the wrong temperature. How can there be a "wrong" temperature if there is no "right" temperature?

QUICK, put up a GRAPH, show that you have faith in the church...
 
Ohh, show us a GRAPH!

Graphs to AGW cultists are like speaking in tongues to Pentecostals..

Except graphs actually make sense. I understand if you have no science background that you might be confused by them. They do require at least a junior high school education.


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But your church says that we are at the wrong temperature. How can there be a "wrong" temperature if there is no "right" temperature?

See? The fact that you think this indicates you aren't very well versed on the topic.
 
I liked the irony of no wheel. But the fields for the ball game they played has these nice circular "wheel-like" things. I can only imagine that they simply had no need for a wheel qua wheel.

mayan.jpg

Cool, show that the Mayans, or Aztecs for that matter - EVER had wheeled carts or devices?

No?

Damn...
 
It's not necessary to know the details of Tarot Cards to know they don't tell the future.
Tarot is a rummy like game. Playing cards have been used to 'foretell' the future since there have been playing cards.
The history of playing cards (particularly the Western deck) is a rather fascinating one, and it begins with the Tarot deck brought northward from either Persia or Egypt. During that time:
* the trump suit was eliminated
* the swords became spades, the cups became hearts, the coins became diamonds, and the staves became clubs.
* the knave was eliminated and replaced with a queen in France.
* the ace of spades became known as the 'death card' due to laws in Britain.
* patterns on the backs of cards were added (no longer blank!) in Britain and France.
* Bidirectional artwork for the face cards was finalized in France. This was also the time the rank cards had their symbols arranged in as symmetrical a pattern as possible.
* Plastic appeared as material for these cards in the U.S., and became a standard for cards used in Atlantic City and Las Vegas. This is also when two standard sizes began to appear, a 'pit' size, and a 'poker' or 'bridge' size (a smaller card).
* Aces had their corner symbols moved inward in Las Vegas and Atlantic City decks to accommodate automated equipment.

The suits represented the feudal classes: clubs->the peasants or lowest caste, diamonds->the merchants, hearts->royalty, and spades->the army or the highest caste (he who controls the army controls the royalty).
The Joker (one colored, and one black and white), are the only trump card that survived from the original Tarot deck.
In the royal court, the king and queen were always surrounded by 'yes' men. The joker, or the jester, or the Fool, is the highest ranking card in the deck and is often 'wild'. This was the one person in a feudal society that wasn't a 'yes' man to the king and queen. He could say anything because he was the fool. He was the most trusted advisor to the king for this reason. He was the only one that could talk plainly and get away with it.

Today, this deck is the most commonly used deck in the world...even in Asia, where Mahjong and Hana decks are popular.

AGW is a fraud, has ALWAYS been a fraud, will always be a fraud.
Quite right. It is the central God of the Church of Global Warming. This religion is used to justify implementing tyranny. It stems directly from the Church of Green, which in turn stems from the Church of Karl Marx.
I'll let you in on a secret your shamans and voodoo priests of the church of global warming and immaculate climate change will never tell you: In the 4.7 billion years that planet earth has existed - there is only one constant to the climate.

Change.
Not possible. Climate has no value associated with it. There is nothing that can 'change'. Weather changes, but climate never can because there is nothing that can 'change'.
Why can your priests never tell you what the "correct" temperature range should be?
They do. They use a bogus 'calculation' to say Earth is 33 deg F hotter than it 'should be'.
 
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So you discard the 1st law of thermodynamics. Gotit.
It states that the total energy of the system remains constant.
No, it doesn't. Energy can change in any given system according to this equation.
There is no "time" component.
Yes there is.
It basically says that the change in energy of the system is the difference between the heat added to the system and the work done by the system.
Heat is not energy. Work is not 'done' by any system.

Sorry dude, no matter how you try, you cannot create energy out of nothing.
(ALSO: normal designations put U as the energy of the system and "W" as work.
Semantics fallacy.
Oh yeah and "Q" is the heat added.
Heat is not energy.
Wrong again. You forgot the MAIN CAVEAT about this law that makes it special. It only applies to a closed system.
Nope. The 2nd law of thermodynamics applies to ALL systems, open or closed. So does the 1st law of thermodynamics. The Earth is a closed system. The Sun-Earth-space is another closed system. They are not the same system, even though you try to make them equivalent. The entire known universe is a closed system as well.

Sorry dude, no matter how you try, you cannot heat a warmer surface using a colder gas.

And you got them both astoundingly wrong.
Nope. These are the laws of thermodynamics. You just want to ignore them.

You want to create energy out of nothing. No gas or vapor has that capability.
You want to decrease entropy. No gas or vapor has that capability.
You want to heat a warmer surface using a colder gas. No gas or vapor has that capability.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth.

You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
You cannot create energy out of nothing.
You cannot heat a warmer object with a colder one.
 
Like you know anything about this.
He knows a hell of a lot more than you. You openly discard the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. At least he senses that there is something fundamentally wrong with your religion.
LOL. The fact that you don't see that you just gutted your own position is actually kind of entertaining. I'll let you puzzle out what howler you just made.
He is not you.
No one says there is a correct temperature.
Lie.
The key is "change".
Base rate fallacy. You cannot describe any 'change' without at least two absolute measurements. it is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. It is not possible to measure the global atmospheric concentration of CO2. It is not possible to measure the total snow and ice on Earth. It is not possible to measure the global sea level. It is not possible to measure the global pH or the temperature of the oceans.
 
Except graphs actually make sense. I understand if you have no science background that you might be confused by them. They do require at least a junior high school education.



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See? The fact that you think this indicates you aren't very well versed on the topic.

Graphs of random numbers make no sense. They are quite pointless.
 
Wrong. It states that the total energy of the system remains constant.
Hey genius, how did the equation presented by Into the Night allow for creation or destruction of energy? You don't understand any of the science you believe you "learned" from your three-minute perusal of Wikiedia so you aren't going to be able to give me any sort of answer, but suffice to say that you are wrong.

The sum total of the final energy plus the amount of work accomplished does, in fact, equal the initial amount of energy.

@Into the Night: In honor of James__, I worked in an "allow for" above. Did you see what I did there?

There is no "time" component.
We'll just chalk this up to you being a scientifically illiterate moron. Of course there is a "passage of time" element to the first law. The amount of energy remains constant over time, despite its changing form over time. It would be stupid to claim that an amount of energy equals itself at any given moment.

Too funny!

It basically says that the change in energy of the system is the difference between the heat added to the system and the work done by the system.
Nope. The amount of work accomplished is the difference between the initial amount of usable energy and the final amount of usable energy.

(ALSO: normal designations put U as the energy of the system and "W" as work. Oh yeah and "Q" is the heat added.
You blew it here. In science and math, there is no "normal". There is only the speaker, who gets to choose however he wants to express the concept. You (the audience) are free to convert the symbology any way you want, i.e. you are not required to adhere to anything that anyone declares is "normal" either.

Wrong again. You forgot the MAIN CAVEAT about this law that makes it special. It only applies to a closed system.
He's not wrong for omitting that common assumption. All you're doing is telling everyone that you rushed to Wikipedia for guidance on what to say. Your mistaken belief that Wikipedia is somehow inerrant and is the authority on all things is reflected in your "the normal way" comment above. You could have just posted that you are a babbling, uneducated idiot and it would have been much easier and taken a lot less time.

You should quit while you are so far behind that nobody can see you drop out.
 
I liked the irony of no wheel. But the fields for the ball game they played has these nice circular "wheel-like" things. I can only imagine that they simply had no need for a wheel qua wheel.

mayan.jpg

Or more factually, just never figured it out.

But one cannot expect a leftist to grasp the difference between a circle and a wheel...
 
Or more factually, just never figured it out.

But one cannot expect a leftist to grasp the difference between a circle and a wheel...

Just to be clear I was making a joke. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously let alone dissected and turned into some bizarre political statement.

Lighten up a bit. Take the day off from work. Take a nap. Relax.
 
Except graphs actually make sense.

Graphing bullshit numbers and fabrication still results in bullshit and fabrications.

I understand if you have no science background that you might be confused by them.

ROFLMAO

Well, okay then sparky.

They do require at least a junior high school education.



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Ah, so that's why you're so easily taken in.

See? The fact that you think this indicates you aren't very well versed on the topic.

Fact and logic are the enemy of your cult.

What is the proper climate for planet earth?

I'll make it easy, ask you shamans what ERA or epoch of human history was the "correct" climate?

After all, if we are to end Western civilization to appease your goddess, you should at least explain what the goal is.

Or maybe throwing the majority of people into abject poverty IS the ultimate goal of your religion....
 
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