Climate Change - Yet another UN report

[Into the Night]

And you think they are in exactly the same condition as when they had an empire? Because they aren't.

Never said they were.

 

[Into the Night]

You don't really know Meso American history all that well. Clearly. Chichen Itza was abandoned in the 1400's. Well before the Conquistadors came.

It's not abandoned.

 

[goat]

Agreed. But it certainly is one of the main ones. That's the point.



I used Cali as an example only, and because they are in the middle of a multiyear drought, it also represents a HUGE population that is already water-stressed. Hopefully that was clear.

The point being that mass migrations will be a huge cost.



Maybe. We know how climate forcings work in no small way because we see what happens with things like Pinatubo. Some of the estimates for climate sensitivity to various forcings have been confirmed because of that.

Yes, something horrible could happen to plunge us into some new climatic regime, but that doesn't change the fact that we know we are largely responsible for the warming we see now.



So would nuclear war on a large scale. Doesn't change the fact that AGW is real and something we are largely responsible for. Should we just hope that we can destroy ourselves with a nuclear winter rather than address climate change?



Because they want to deal with the issues as they are and not just hope for a massive volcano to erupt and destroy most of the middle part of the US?

There's a lot of lowland on the Eastcoast. Look what the storm surge from Sandy did to the Tri-State area. New York Harbor has already proposed a storm surge barrier. It's possible they only have about 25 or 30 years to get it built.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. But it certainly is one of the main ones. That's the point.

The main cause was conquest and internal wars. Disease took a major toll as well (some indian tribes became EXTINCT due to disease and internal wars).

I used Cali as an example only, and because they are in the middle of a multiyear drought, it also represents a HUGE population that is already water-stressed. Hopefully that was clear.

A multiyear drought with flooding....right. Oh...people still live in the SDTC (formerly California). They haven't yet managed to escape the dictatorship prevalent there.

The point being that mass migrations will be a huge cost.

Already happening. People are fleeing the SDTC because of the tyranny.

Maybe. We know how climate forcings

No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.

work in no small way because we see what happens with things like Pinatubo.

Are you actually trying to say climate controls volcanic eruptions????? Too funny!

Some of the estimates for climate sensitivity

No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.

to various forcings

No such thing. Buzzword fallacy.

have been confirmed because of that.

You can't confirm a buzzword.

Yes, something horrible could happen to plunge us into some new climatic regime,

Climate is not a regime.

but that doesn't change the fact that we know we are largely responsible for the warming we see now.

What warming? It is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth. How can we be responsible for something that can't be measured????

So would nuclear war on a large scale.

So we should 'save the planet' by conducting a nuclear war???

Doesn't change the fact that AGW is real

As real as your God.

and something we are largely responsible for.

I am not responsible for your God.

Should we just hope that we can destroy ourselves with a nuclear winter rather than address climate change?

Define 'climate change'. Buzzword fallacy. You seem to be advocating a 'nuclear winter' as the solution! Which is it, dude?

Because they want to deal with the issues as they are and not just hope for a massive volcano to erupt and destroy most of the middle part of the US?

Uh...have you looked at the location of the Yellowstone caldera? Perhaps you may have noticed the Mammoth Lakes caldera?

You seem to be advocating for these eruptions to 'save the planet', yet you would rather have the so-called AGW. Which is it, dude? Paradox. You are being irrational.

 

[Into the Night]

I never said mayan people were gone.

Mayan is a proper noun. It is capitalized. Yes, you DID say the Mayan people were gone. You're a liar.

I said their civilization was decimated by the multiyear droughts.

Nope. It was decimated by internal wars and by the Spanish.

This is not a controversial statement.

Attempted proof by circular (fundamentalism).

Most historians agree that it is a combination of some internal strife, poor civic planning and a multidecadal drought.

Omniscience fallacy.

I thought that was kind of clear. My apologies if it wasn't.

You seem to not have any clear thought. You keep trying to change your story.

Here's a resource: https://www.history.com/news/why-di...sted a number,factors was behind the collapse.

They didn't.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

It's not abandoned.

You are joking, right?

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Mayan is a proper noun. It is capitalized. Yes, you DID say the Mayan people were gone. You're a liar.

Nope. It was decimated by internal wars and by the Spanish.

Attempted proof by circular (fundamentalism).

Omniscience fallacy.

You seem to not have any clear thought. You keep trying to change your story.

They didn't.

Sorry I wasted your time. I see this is pointless to further discuss any of this with you.

 

[IBDaMann]

I never said mayan people were gone. I said their civilization was decimated by the multiyear droughts.

I never deviated from the topic of the Maya civilization, which is flourishing and is comprised of many wonderful people. I thought that was kind of clear. My apologies if it wasn't.

This is not a controversial statement. All travelers to Guatemala agree, except perhaps for some blind people, that the Maya civilization is right there in front of them . It is a combination of some great food, good music, great people and beautiful countryside that keeps the Maya going strong.

I bought a hat from some Maya in Chichicastenango. Great place. I recommend you visit sometime.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

I never deviated from the topic of the Maya civilization, which is flourishing and is comprised of many wonderful people. I thought that was kind of clear. My apologies if it wasn't.

This is not a controversial statement. All travelers to Guatemala agree, except perhaps for some blind people, that the Maya civilization is right there in front of them . It is a combination of some great food, good music, great people and beautiful countryside that keeps the Maya going strong.

I bought a hat from some Maya in Chichicastenango. Great place. I recommend you visit sometime.

You are joking obviously. If you think the modern Mayan have an empire like they did back before the 15th century then you and I have very different views of reality.

 

[IBDaMann]

It's not abandoned.

You are joking, right?

Hold on. If a place is inundated with tourists, is it abandoned?

Is the Eiffel Tower abandoned? Is Chichen Itza abandoned?

... and of course we have to account for the Maya who actually still live and work there:

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Hold on. If a place is inundated with tourists, is it abandoned?

Is the Eiffel Tower abandoned? Is Chichen Itza abandoned?

Are you incapable of understanding the topic? I'm sorry. But this is absurd.

 

[goat]

Are you incapable of understanding the topic? I'm sorry. But this is absurd.

Both of them are trolling us, or they're too stupid to understand where all this extreme weather is coming from.

 

[Into the Night]

There's a lot of lowland on the Eastcoast. Look what the storm surge from Sandy did to the Tri-State area. New York Harbor has already proposed a storm surge barrier. It's possible they only have about 25 or 30 years to get it built.

Too late. Already happened.

Storm surges happen all the time in New York city. Perhaps you forgot the real big one from a passing tropical storm that flooded large sections of the subway system, made a mess out of New Jersey and washed the Coney Island coaster out to sea.

Well, that's storms for you.

Did you know that a storm surge is not sea level?

BTW, JFK airport is 12 ft ASL. BFI (on the west coast) is 21 ft ASL. ATL (on the east coast) is 1024 ft ASL. SFO (on the west coast) is 13 ft ASL. ALL of these airports are still in operation. ALL of them are major airports.

 

[Into the Night]

You are joking, right?

No. It's not abandoned.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

No. It's not abandoned.

LOL. OK. I get the joke. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Into the Night]

Sorry I wasted your time. I see this is pointless to further discuss any of this with you.

Well at least you know when you lost.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Too late. Already happened.

Storm surges happen all the time in New York city. Perhaps you forgot the real big one from a passing tropical storm that flooded large sections of the subway system, made a mess out of New Jersey and washed the Coney Island coaster out to sea.

Well, that's storms for you.

Did you know that a storm surge is not sea level?

BTW, JFK airport is 12 ft ASL. BFI (on the west coast) is 21 ft ASL. ATL (on the east coast) is 1024 ft ASL. SFO (on the west coast) is 13 ft ASL. ALL of these airports are still in operation. ALL of them are major airports.

From: https://www.globalchange.gov/browse/indicators/global-sea-level-rise

 

[IBDaMann]

The point being that mass migrations will be a huge cost.

Nope. Your point was that AGW religion is somehow real, and that Climate Change is somehow more than just your WACKY religious dogma. You went so far as to claim that your deity "Climate Change" is actually the one responsible for the Maya civilization changing, not the passage of time.

We know how climate forcings work

You can't even define a "forcing" such that it doesn't violate physics much less describe how one works.

Some of the estimates for climate sensitivity to various forcings have been confirmed

The only ones "confirming" climate sensitivity estimates are straightjacketed in rubber rooms.

Yes, something horrible could happen to plunge us into some new climatic regime,

There is no such thing as a climate regime, except maybe the Democrat party and their ilk.

that doesn't change the fact that we know we are largely responsible for the warming we see now.

Who is the "we" who claims to be "seeing" warming? I bet they're the same ones wearing the straightjackets in the rubber rooms.

Who is the "we" who is somehow largely responsible for the earth's distance from the sun and for the intensity of the sun's output?

So would nuclear war on a large scale.

How would nuclear war alter the earth's distance from the sun or alter the intensity of the sun's output?

Doesn't change the fact that AGW is real

AGW is not real. It is a WACKY religion that targets the stupid, the undereducated, the scientifically illiterate and the mathematically incompetent for indoctrination into the faith and for bending over furniture for a thrusting Marxist reeducation.

I see that you have been indoctrinated. Is that why you are walking funny?

and something we are largely responsible for.

Who are the "we" who are somehow responsible for the earth's distance from the sun and for the intensity of the solar output?

Should we just hope that we can destroy ourselves with a nuclear winter rather than address climate change?

Yes, please destroy yourselves in the quickest way possible. That way we won't have to listen to you preach your WACKY religion.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Well at least you know when you lost.

LOL.
You're too funny!

 

[Into the Night]

Both of them are trolling us, or they're too stupid to understand where all this extreme weather is coming from.

Extreme weather is normal. There's always some heavy rain somewhere, some hot temperatures somewhere, heavy snowfall somewhere, cold temperatures somewhere. Some nasty storm somewhere.

Weather comes from the uneven heating of the Earth's surface by the Sun. It is really nothing more than entropy in action.
All currents and the jet stream (which is just another current) are driven by this uneven heating.

Apparently you are clueless that the equator tends to be hotter than the poles.

Since you figure that people can't live without ice at the North pole, why are there no people living there?