Still triggered, huh? So sad that an inanimate object made of metal can hurts your sensitive feelings so easily. You must have had a miserable childhood. I guess not knowing who your baby daddy was left a void that even your mother, because she doesn't know, can fill.
Confederate Statues
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Still triggered, huh? So sad that an inanimate object made of metal can hurts your sensitive feelings so easily. You must have had a miserable childhood. I guess not knowing who your baby daddy was left a void that even your mother, because she doesn't know, can fill.
If only you knew how stupid and inaccurate of a statement you just made.
TOP
Retired Teacher
No one "argued that"...It's your problem...which you obviously can't deal with...I understand.
The country , well, most of us, has moved on. Without you...
reagansghost
eternal
Confederate statues represent oppression, period
apologists love to spin false analogies, or explain that they simply represent southern history, so it's all good
wrong, symbols of hatred and human trafficing
apologists love to spin false analogies, or explain that they simply represent southern history, so it's all good
wrong, symbols of hatred and human trafficing
Eagle_Eye
Well-known member
Translation= I have no viable reply so I will throw out useless lying charges.
I can see the truth pissed you off. Again. You limpwristed little faggot. Go find someone else to listen to your hissy fits. You are boring and uneducated.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Stretch,
Yeah, if I remember history correctly, the South LOST.
Patriotism means you're in it for the long run - under the American flag.
Yeah, if I remember history correctly, the South LOST.
Patriotism means you're in it for the long run - under the American flag.
Yeah, the south lost. So? What's that got to do with studying history?
Actually, they represent treason. Those who wish to preserve them are supporting treason.
I'll probably regret this since having read through a lot of this topic it's pretty rough but here goes.
There were aspects of the CSA secession that were worthy of consideration and also justifiable constitutional changes in my opinion that would create a legitimate limited government, states rights, term limits, and other economic improvements and localized responsibility, but for anybody to say that slavery and the supremacy of race was not at the heart of the CSA government's focus is only lying to themselves and revising history. In the CSA vice president Alexander Stephen's own words he called the subjugation of blacks and the acknowledgment of their inferiority as the cornerstone of the new government. He laid out a detailed vision of how it was justified. He even, in his own words, acknowledged that slavery was the immediate cause of the war. That doesn't mean that all Confederate soldiers were fighting for what the government and the executive office were fighting for since many common soldiers were fighting for the home, their state, their land, or out of obligation, and yes many fought to preserve slavery since it was a part of the culture and the economy, but for most southerners the institution of slavery was normal and so it wasn't really a focus for many of them as being something that was wrong.
There are historical things about the Confederacy that I agree with and wish we did today, but there are obviously things that the Confederacy pushed for that were clearly wrong, such as slavery and white supremacy. I am a descendent of Confederate veterans. I'm not embarrassed by that fact, it just is what it is. I'd be lying if I said that I don't own things with the Confederate battle flag on it. I'd be lying if I said that i've never ridden in a truck with friends that had a Confederate flag flying from the back of it. That being said i'm not a white supremacist, I don't believe the white race is superior, I don't believe in the "lost cause" movement, and I don't think that communities that want a Confederate statue to be removed from public land, if that's the decision of the citizens of that town, should be ignored. I do think that the Confederacy is part of the south's history and heritage and I do think that there is a way to preserve the memory of Confederate soldiers and the southern way of life in a way that is respectful and appropriate, but at the same time we shouldn't be willfully ignorant. Calling people "n*****s" and boy and other phrases of obvious racism along with downplaying the relationship between the CSA government and slavery does far more harm to the memory of the soldiers and their families that many of these monuments are built for than it helps. You soil their memory when you promote that sort of hatred and racist language and you stain the flag that you claim you are defending even more in my opinion. If you want to protect history, if you want to protect heritage, then you can't revise it to fit an alternate history, you have to be truthful about it. I can praise the courage of the thousands of Confederate soldiers that went off to war and also praise their families for enduring their absence or loss., but I can also acknowledge that many of their views on race were wrong and not something that I will defend.
There were aspects of the CSA secession that were worthy of consideration and also justifiable constitutional changes in my opinion that would create a legitimate limited government, states rights, term limits, and other economic improvements and localized responsibility, but for anybody to say that slavery and the supremacy of race was not at the heart of the CSA government's focus is only lying to themselves and revising history. In the CSA vice president Alexander Stephen's own words he called the subjugation of blacks and the acknowledgment of their inferiority as the cornerstone of the new government. He laid out a detailed vision of how it was justified. He even, in his own words, acknowledged that slavery was the immediate cause of the war. That doesn't mean that all Confederate soldiers were fighting for what the government and the executive office were fighting for since many common soldiers were fighting for the home, their state, their land, or out of obligation, and yes many fought to preserve slavery since it was a part of the culture and the economy, but for most southerners the institution of slavery was normal and so it wasn't really a focus for many of them as being something that was wrong.
There are historical things about the Confederacy that I agree with and wish we did today, but there are obviously things that the Confederacy pushed for that were clearly wrong, such as slavery and white supremacy. I am a descendent of Confederate veterans. I'm not embarrassed by that fact, it just is what it is. I'd be lying if I said that I don't own things with the Confederate battle flag on it. I'd be lying if I said that i've never ridden in a truck with friends that had a Confederate flag flying from the back of it. That being said i'm not a white supremacist, I don't believe the white race is superior, I don't believe in the "lost cause" movement, and I don't think that communities that want a Confederate statue to be removed from public land, if that's the decision of the citizens of that town, should be ignored. I do think that the Confederacy is part of the south's history and heritage and I do think that there is a way to preserve the memory of Confederate soldiers and the southern way of life in a way that is respectful and appropriate, but at the same time we shouldn't be willfully ignorant. Calling people "n*****s" and boy and other phrases of obvious racism along with downplaying the relationship between the CSA government and slavery does far more harm to the memory of the soldiers and their families that many of these monuments are built for than it helps. You soil their memory when you promote that sort of hatred and racist language and you stain the flag that you claim you are defending even more in my opinion. If you want to protect history, if you want to protect heritage, then you can't revise it to fit an alternate history, you have to be truthful about it. I can praise the courage of the thousands of Confederate soldiers that went off to war and also praise their families for enduring their absence or loss., but I can also acknowledge that many of their views on race were wrong and not something that I will defend.
All Conservatives are just as bigoted and homophobic as Sailor. Some are just better at hiding it than others.
So how do the monuments to Confederates teach the South lost the war?
Why must the memory of Confederate (Not American) soldiers be preserved? They were traitors. And they lost. Why glorify them at all?
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
Minister of Truth
Practically Perfect
The south really had no legitimate grievances, and chose not to highlight any.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Stretch,
Naming public institutions and erecting statues, all in the name of those who fought for slavery, is rewriting history; pretending that cause was justified. It wasn't, and should not be portrayed that way. It was the wrong thing to do.
The way the South has glorified the leaders of the Confederacy, one would think the South won.
All of those statues and institutional names are nothing more than the losing white supremacists way of saying FU to the blacks who were freed from slavery when the United States won the Civil War. Forcing black children to attend schools named for Confederate heroes was like rubbing it in their face and 'putting them in their place,' namely the lower rungs of the economic ladder.
The removal of statues, the changing of names is not ignoring history or trying to rewrite it. It it acknowledging the emancipation of those black Americans who were tortured, locked up, whipped and enslaved, forced to work long hours with no pay, no breaks, no education, no dignity. Then they were housed in dirt floor shacks without heat or screens. It is acknowledging the emancipation of our self-respect from being held hostage by the idea that the confederacy was in any way glorious. It is an act of giving innocent young black children a fair chance at prosperity. It is promoting the general Welfare.
It's called moving on.
We can't change history.
But we can learn from it.
And we can stop glorifying a past we should be ashamed of.
Naming public institutions and erecting statues, all in the name of those who fought for slavery, is rewriting history; pretending that cause was justified. It wasn't, and should not be portrayed that way. It was the wrong thing to do.
The way the South has glorified the leaders of the Confederacy, one would think the South won.
All of those statues and institutional names are nothing more than the losing white supremacists way of saying FU to the blacks who were freed from slavery when the United States won the Civil War. Forcing black children to attend schools named for Confederate heroes was like rubbing it in their face and 'putting them in their place,' namely the lower rungs of the economic ladder.
The removal of statues, the changing of names is not ignoring history or trying to rewrite it. It it acknowledging the emancipation of those black Americans who were tortured, locked up, whipped and enslaved, forced to work long hours with no pay, no breaks, no education, no dignity. Then they were housed in dirt floor shacks without heat or screens. It is acknowledging the emancipation of our self-respect from being held hostage by the idea that the confederacy was in any way glorious. It is an act of giving innocent young black children a fair chance at prosperity. It is promoting the general Welfare.
It's called moving on.
We can't change history.
But we can learn from it.
And we can stop glorifying a past we should be ashamed of.
Why do you ask?
I set my own standards and you simply don't add up. Zero is about as high as you get, nl.
You can't take this out of the political realm, because a large segment of Republicans want to maintain all the memorials to white supremacy and almost all Democrats
want them all removed from statehouses and public property. Deplorables love these reminders of their exalted status over blacks, and the feeling they think it
engenders. You can't recontextualize present day hate. We can talk have context after they are all dead.
want them all removed from statehouses and public property. Deplorables love these reminders of their exalted status over blacks, and the feeling they think it
engenders. You can't recontextualize present day hate. We can talk have context after they are all dead.