Democratic House Approves Big Changes in Student Aid

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Something else that would have never gotten done under republican leadership.

House Backs Big Changes in Student Aid Programs
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/education/12cnd-loan.html?hp

WASHINGTON, July 11 — The House approved far-reaching changes in student aid programs today, voting to slash $19 billion in federal subsidies to student lenders, and use the savings to raise aid for needy students and cut in half the interest rates on federally backed loans.

The measure was approved 273 to 149, in a sometimes raucous debate, with 47 Republicans joining Democrats to assure its passage.

Democrats who took control of Congress this year had campaigned on promises to help the middle class with the escalating costs of higher education. The legislations signals a sea change for the student loan industry, which had largely enjoyed unflagging support under the Republican majority of the past decade.

Investigations by Congress, and the New York State attorney general’s office have also bruised the standing of lenders, exposing systems of paying colleges commissions to win business, offering college officials free trips and other perks.

While President Bush opposes some elements of the House bill, it is widely expected that a broad overhaul of student aid will become law this year. Mr. Bush himself has proposed slashing government subsidies to lenders by some $16 billion. The Senate is expected to pass similar legislation later this month.

Citing increases in the cost of attending college over the last five years that outpaced inflation by 35 to 40 percent, Representative George Miller, the California Democrat who is chairman of the House education committee, likened the legislation to the G.I. bill of 1944, which began government financing of higher education in exchange for military service.

“That took us to the first place in the world, and we’ve been there for 50 years,” Mr. Miller said. “This is about a new investment for the next generation.”

Republicans decried the bill as creating a panoply of nine new entitlement programs, which they branded “welfare programs,” complaining that it represented free-wheeling spending by Democrats. They offered a substitute that would have largely focused on increasing Pell grants for needy students, without cutting interest rates. The substitute was defeated 231 to 189, in a largely party-line vote.
 
Hummm...

I would likely have helped pass this... were I in Congress.



Really and how do you feel about the Community Colleges..back in the day this was free to all...ya just had to pay for books minus a small administative charge for processing your enrollment...y'all are really good with the pc crap...but forget how well it worked in the past..State Universities were within easy reach for the common man or woman to obtain..without rediculous student loan charges!
 
Really and how do you feel about the Community Colleges..back in the day this was free to all...ya just had to pay for books minus a small administative charge for processing your enrollment...y'all are really good with the pc crap...but forget how well it worked in the past..State Universities were within easy reach for the common man or woman to obtain..without rediculous student loan charges!
I actually took many classes at the local Community College while I was in HS. I don't see what that has to do with this particular bill though.
 
Really and how do you feel about the Community Colleges..back in the day this was free to all...ya just had to pay for books minus a small administative charge for processing your enrollment...y'all are really good with the pc crap...but forget how well it worked in the past..State Universities were within easy reach for the common man or woman to obtain..without rediculous student loan charges!

What has that have to do with this?

I support community colleges as well, but there are limits to the educational level one can obtain from a community college.

I see no reason why there can't be a robust and affordable community college and university system. It's an investment in our future AND security. If we don't keep up with the Chinese and other nations we'll be dependent on them.
 
I wonder if the republicans in the senate will filibuster?

IMO, one of the best uses of taxpayer money, is support for higher education.
 
I wonder if the republicans in the senate will filibuster?

IMO, one of the best uses of taxpayer money, is support for higher education.
I seriously doubt it. By percentages about 1/3 of the Rs would cross the line to vote for it, that is veto-proof as well as cloture winning numbers.
 
I seriously doubt it. By percentages about 1/3 of the Rs would cross the line to vote for it, that is veto-proof as well as cloture winning numbers.


I was reading an article by some prominent wingnutter (Bob Novak?) where he said the GOP strategy was going to be to obstruct everything the democrats tried to pass. Whether its a good bill or not. Simply to deny the Dem congress any accomplishments.

I hope you're right. This funding for higher education is a great bang, for the buck.
 
I was reading an article by some prominent wingnutter (Bob Novak?) where he said the GOP strategy was going to be to obstruct everything the democrats tried to pass. Whether its a good bill or not. Simply to deny the Dem congress any accomplishments.

I hope you're right. This funding for higher education is a great bang, for the buck.
It would be easier to block at the Congressional level. But heck, if that is the strategy... I can feel "backfire".
 
WASHINGTON, July 11 — The House approved far-reaching changes in student aid programs today, voting to slash $19 billion in federal subsidies to student lenders, and use the savings to raise aid for needy students and cut in half the interest rates on federally backed loans.
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WASHINGTON, July 11 — The House approved far-reaching changes in student aid programs today, voting to slash $19 billion in federal subsidies to student lenders, and use the savings to raise aid for needy students and cut in half the interest rates on federally backed loans.
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Did you skip over the part that Bush was also working to slash those subsidies?
 
Did you skip over the part that Bush was also working to slash those subsidies?

He must have been working real hard on it for the past 7 years. Then a Democratic congress comes along and gets it done. Darn it, and he was just about to do it himself...bad luck that.
 
Really and how do you feel about the Community Colleges..back in the day this was free to all...ya just had to pay for books minus a small administative charge for processing your enrollment...y'all are really good with the pc crap...but forget how well it worked in the past..State Universities were within easy reach for the common man or woman to obtain..without rediculous student loan charges!

Hmm must be for some states not for KY. Community colleges were cheaper but not as cheap as you say. Must have been a liberal CA thing.
 
He must have been working real hard on it for the past 7 years. Then a Democratic congress comes along and gets it done. Darn it, and he was just about to do it himself...bad luck that.
Or it is just another thing where he agrees with the majority of Democrats, like the border...

I still will always remember that first reaction when he lost both houses of Congress...

"Well, I'm excited to work with them, at least I'll get my 'immigration reform' bill passed now!"

Thank the little gods he was wrong.
 
Bush was working on it since the student loan scandal recently....
Maybe. I think that Laura probably has more sway on him in this arena that most will admit. Her advice seems obvious when making education affordable is one of his goals.
 
I was reading an article by some prominent wingnutter (Bob Novak?) where he said the GOP strategy was going to be to obstruct everything the democrats tried to pass. Whether its a good bill or not. Simply to deny the Dem congress any accomplishments.

I hope you're right. This funding for higher education is a great bang, for the buck.

i.e. the Republicans were going to try the same approach the Democrats used for six years.

Meet my new boss, same as the old boss.
 
I am not sure that this IS a good idea. I suspect that it is actually a BAD move. How many additional dollars in loans were leveraged by the $19 billion in subsidies? If each subsidy dollar leveraged in another one or two commercial dollars, then the overall loan pool has been shrunk by more than $19 billion through this.

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and piddling with pennies.
 
Maybe. I think that Laura probably has more sway on him in this arena that most will admit. Her advice seems obvious when making education affordable is one of his goals.

Let me ask you this. I'm going off memory from an article I read and I hope I have my facts accurate but I could be wrong. I believe the author was stating that the more involved the federal government has gotten involved in helping fund students for college the more expensive colleges have gotten because they can.

I don't know if that correlation was accurate or not. I'm all for helping all students get a chance to go to college as its that important. Are the loan methods etc. that we are using today having the reverse effect of ultimately making college more expensive?
 
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