Democrats Move to Disenfranchise Voters in 46 States

ZenMode said:
"You desire an empire - ruled from DC. A central authority that rules with an iron fist.

That is not what we are, and you lack to power to pervert us into such a system."

Why do you jump to this rather than the unfairness of the electoral college system?
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Why do you advocate the overthrow of the United States Constitution and the establishment of a centralized dictatorship?

The electoral college is the most fair system imaginable for the 50 United States. But that's the issue - you seek to end the United States and construct the DC Empire in its stead - where all are ruled across the land by the Crown in Washington.

You have the desire, but you don't have the power.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Why do you advocate the overthrow of the United States Constitution and the establishment of a centralized dictatorship?

The electoral college is the most fair system imaginable for the 50 United States. But that's the issue - you seek to end the United States and construct the DC Empire in its stead - where all are ruled across the land by the Crown in Washington.

You have the desire, but you don't have the power.
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I'm going to ignore all of your crazy talk and keep the attention on the topic of the electoral college.

It is not the most fair system. In a truly fair system each vote would have the same weight. That's how states do their elections. There is no intrastate electoral college to give certain counties' or districts' votes more influence. That would be crazy, yet that's what we have in the United States. It makes no sense and is not fair.
 
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Crepitus said:
You're disenfranchising millions of voters in the most populous areas in favor of a few who chose to live in isolation.
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False.

Per the United States Constitution that you so bitterly hare, each state independently elects the president and vice president (second part altered by amendment) within that state. The many states then congregate to elect the president.

Your demands that California decide for Rhode Island is no more legitimate than saying that a house on main has the right to cast a vote for a house on second street.

Your vote is only within the state you are a citizen of. There is no direct election of any person under our Constitution.

Did you never take basic civics?

Crepitus said:
The government is to do the greatest good for the most people, not cater to the whims of a few whack-jobs.
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Da Comrade - GLORIOUS UNION must be all powerful.

I recognize the position of you Stalinists - it is immoral and destructive. You also lack the power to overthrow the Constitution.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
An amendment to the Constitution is an amendment to the Constitution?
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Are you claiming that Schmucky Schumer proposed a Constitutional amendment?

If you are, you're lying. The Schmuck wanted to override the Constitution through legislation. Yes, it was just posturing for those like you who oppose the Constitution.

Poor Richard Saunders said:
Why do you hate the Constitution so much that you don't think anyone can actually use the Constitution as it is written?
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Lame attempt - really lame.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm going to ignore all of your crazy talk and keep the attention on the topic of the electoral college.

It is not the most fair system. In a truly fair system each vote would have the same weight. That's how states do their elections. There is no intrastate electoral college to give certain counties or districts votes more influence. That would be crazy, yet that's what we have in the United States. It makes no sense and is not fair.
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Again - what you seek is the dissolution of the many states - you openly said as much. You seek the overthrow of the United States and the establishment of a central dictatorship with absolute rule in DC.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Math proves you wrong.
Using the total number of voters in each state for the 2020 election, we can run some numbers.
If the 4 largest states had all voted 52% for one candidate and 48% for the other, the rest of the country would have only needed to vote 50.89% for the other candidate to win.

Candidate A and B
Vote total for TX, FL, NY and CA - 47,729,289
Vote total for rest of states - 107,778,187
Total votes cast for 2 candidates - 155,507,476

Assume 52% in 4 states
Candidate A - 24,818,230
B - 22,910,0159

Difference of 1,909,172

Rest of country 50.89% for Candidate B
Candidate A - 52,929,868
B - 54,848,319
Difference of -1,918,451

Candidate B wins nationally by 9,279 votes
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2020 was the fraud election.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Again - what you seek is the dissolution of the many states - you openly said as much. You seek the overthrow of the United States and the establishment of a central dictatorship with absolute rule in DC.
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I "seek" to have each vote count equally, just as they currently do in every election at every level of government, across the country.... except for President.

You're acting like not having the EC would ruin the country. Why? There's only been 4 times where the EC winner didn't win the popular vote and HALF of those were in the fucking 1800's!

BTW, the most hated candidate in history JUST won the popular vote.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You are a very frustrated little Stalinist.

Your frustration is driven by your abysmal education and your rank stupidity. You can't refute what your betters - and face it, everyone is your better - post here. You want to spread the word of MSNBC, but you're too stupid to pull it off. So you react with anger and profanity.

Sad.
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YOU have NO idea what my education is.
And for your info I have NOT watched MSMBC in YEARS
So go FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE
 
ZenMode said:
I "seek" to have each vote count equally, just as they currently do in every election at every level of government, across the country.... except for President.

You're acting like not having the EC would ruin the country. Why? There's only been 4 times where the EC winner didn't win the popular vote and HALF of those were in the fucking 1800's!

BTW, the most hated candidate in history JUST won the popular vote.
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Apparently he wasn't the most hated candidate if he won the popular vote.... :dunno:
 
Did anybody notice that the right wingers on here keep talking about Cal. and NY but don't say a word about TX and FLA two of the most populated states in the nation.
 
RB 60 said:
Not liking and hating are two entirely different emotions.
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Sure, but no candidate has brought out as many voters against him as Trump. Biden, a nearly deceased and underwhelming candidate, got the most votes ever. Kamala Harris will likely end up as the 3rd highest vote getter in history... and she's one of the worst candidates to ever run. Biden and Harris got votes because people hate and fear Trump.
 
ZenMode said:
Sure, but no candidate has brought out as many voters against him as Trump. Biden, a nearly deceased and underwhelming candidate, got the most votes ever. Kamala Harris will likely end up as the 3rd highest vote getter in history... and she's one of the worst candidates to ever run. Biden and Harris got votes because people hate and fear Trump.
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Biden may have won, but I find it hard to believe he got over 80 million AMERICAN votes in 2020.
Yes, Harris was one of the worst candidates ever, and yes again, there are so many who hate Trump.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Are you claiming that Schmucky Schumer proposed a Constitutional amendment?

If you are, you're lying. The Schmuck wanted to override the Constitution through legislation. Yes, it was just posturing for those like you who oppose the Constitution.



Lame attempt - really lame.
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OMFG. You really are a moron.

Three progressive Democratic senators have unveiled a constitutional amendment that aims to abolish the Electoral College,


www.durbin.senate.gov

Durbin, Schatz, Welch Introduce Constitutional Amendment To End Undemocratic Electoral College | U.S. Senator Dick Durbin of Illinois

The Official U.S. Senate website of Dick Durbin
www.durbin.senate.gov
U.S. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL), Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and U.S. Senators Brian Schatz (D-HI) and Peter Welch (D-VT) introduced a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College system


Here is the Congressional site with the proposed amendment. It's like you are a real life Emily Litella and can't hear things correctly.

All Information (Except Text) for S.J.Res.121 - A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to abolish the electoral college and to provide for the direct election of the President and Vice President of the United States. ​

 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
How does it disenfranchise voters if they can vote and their vote has the same value as every one else that votes?
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What he meant was disenfranchise states. You do know that we are a Democratic Republic of States which is why States elect the President and not the popular vote.

If you're still confused or too stupid to comprehend why, I will explain why that matters.
 
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