Pffffftt.
I punch out Buddhist monks all the time. They're fair game. It's like cussing out the refs at an NBA game. Everybody does it. It's considered perfectly acceptable. A social norm, as it were.
Did you ever get an Apology?
- Thread starter Cypress
- Start date
Pffffftt.
I punch out Buddhist monks all the time. They're fair game. It's like cussing out the refs at an NBA game. Everybody does it. It's considered perfectly acceptable. A social norm, as it were.
LOL
I used to say that all the time. And then people like Damo & superfreak would jump down my back.
I don't care where Damo and superfreak jump...I am all for drafting Republicans. I hang banners all of the time that say "4 THE WAR? - ENLIST!"
I always smirk the widest when I'm hanging those particular ones. You know why? Because I know I am going to hit some sore spots. Well, except for the ones I hung right after the Chavez incident that said "I smell the sulpher too", those I smirked even more over.
I can show you how to make one really easily.
I had Tom Delay in my avatar at one time too. Doesn't mean I like him. I didn't realize avatars were supposed to be serious expressions of our political or emotional philosophies.
Why Che? I have just always liked the way that poster of Che looked. It looks cool.
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
I had Tom Delay in my avatar at one time too. Doesn't mean I like him. I didn't realize avatars were supposed to be serious expressions of our political or emotional philosophies.
Why Che? I have just always liked the way that poster of Che looked. It looks cool.
Alright. I can dig that. I was just curious. Having been to Cuba and seeing his posters and monuments everywhere, all the while the people I talked to resented his blind idealism that led to what it did.... Well, you know.
Shit man, I'm a libertarian. I had to ask.
Battleborne
Terminator
Lol...
Damn Beefy...Commies can snow ya so easy...Cippie is a commie/socialist...he thinks the avatar is cool...psych 101...not funny this dude needs help! Maybe Darla can help him...or not...she also falls into this category...Lady is on the fence...lol
Alright. I can dig that. I was just curious. Having been to Cuba and seeing his posters and monuments everywhere, all the while the people I talked to resented his blind idealism that led to what it did.... Well, you know.
Shit man, I'm a libertarian. I had to ask.
Damn Beefy...Commies can snow ya so easy...Cippie is a commie/socialist...he thinks the avatar is cool...psych 101...not funny this dude needs help! Maybe Darla can help him...or not...she also falls into this category...Lady is on the fence...lol
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
What up BB. Good to see you back here. Cypress, Darla, Lady T, they're all good people. I got no beef with them other than their socialist tendencies. But they're not commies, just lefties.
OrnotBitwise
Watermelon
Not a fan of The Motorcycle Diaries, I'll bet.
Alright. I can dig that. I was just curious. Having been to Cuba and seeing his posters and monuments everywhere, all the while the people I talked to resented his blind idealism that led to what it did.... Well, you know.
Shit man, I'm a libertarian. I had to ask.
Have you read about his life? Like most men who make history, his was a complex character. He was a man who, as a doctor, tended fiercely to wounded enemies, and who as a revolutionary, signed death warrants for hundreds of people without any trial.
I am curious as to what the people in Cuba said about the desperate poverty, the sickness, the children dying of starvation and lack of medical care, that inspired Che to the path he followed?
Because they were real, and they still exist in this world.
OrnotBitwise
Watermelon
I still believe that, on balance, Cuba after Castro is, at worst, no worse than Cuba under Batista. That's at worst, and I don't believe the worst case scenario applies.
That's why I am curious about how old these people Beefy spoke to were, and what, if any comments they had about living conditions pre-Castro.
I mean, you cannot whitewash the entire history of what precipitated this movement. And that does not mean you are glorifying any body, I don't think.
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
Castro is detested by the people of Cuba because the situation is as bad as it ever was, and any pretense for change through revolution nearly 50 years ago is long gone. They're still being oppressed, they still have little freedom, and they all live on the black market because they'd literally starve to death if they resigned themselves entirely to the communist system.
I've told this story before, but its been a while and I don't know if you've heard it or not.
When I went to Cuba, it was all off the grid and I rented a room from a guy named Jose in the suburbs of Havana, who had a licensed boarding house in a district called Vedado, right by the Monument of the Revolution. In his front door, there was a sign reading something to this effect: Welcome to my home, please be respectful that this is not only my home, buy that of Fidel.
Something to that effect anyway. I found it curious, but not all that remarkable. Then I got to know Jose.
Jose has several kids, and a wife. His family gets about $150 a month from his job managing this boarding house. That's his income. So, he told me that about 10 years ago, he was not making it, that the government kept moving him and his family from house to house (there's no real private property in Cuba, everything is centralized, and so the government decides who lives where and when).
So Jose started dealing black market jewelry. He started to do a little better than the rest of the country, and had such contraband as a ceiling fan, and a sattelite dish. Well, in Cuba, you have to have state-issue papers for every appliance, furniture, or other big ticket item. And one day the cops came to Jose's house, found these things, and promptly arrested him because he didn't have papers for them. Jose was no longer equal to the rest of Cuba,afterall, he had a ceiling fan!
He didn't see his kids for 6 months, he had everything taken from him, and now he's under strict license on this house he runs in Vedado.
This is not an uncommon deal in Cuba. It is a shithole in paradise. And believe me, there's no love lost for Che Guevara by the Cuban people.
I understand what you are saying Beefy, and I am not trying to paint present-day Cuba as a "paradise". What I am saying is that it was no paradise before the revolution either, and that it was either the same, or worse.
Also, I doubt that public opinion in Cuba is monolithic, any moreso than it is anywhere else. You know, we do tend to find backup for what we already believe, which explains why neocons only seemed to stumble across disaffected Iraqis, and were convinced we'd be greeted with candy.
Anyway, the man cared, and he put his life on the line everyday to try and help the poorest of the poor, and those who suffered the most. So I think that to curse his name, then I would ask, well, what have you done for the poor today? Not YOU, YOU, but I am speaking generally here. So don't go Damo on me. I don't know what he would have thought of Castro's Cuba had he lived, and even whether or not he would have broken with Castro. No one does. I can only judge his actions, and his motivations when he was alive. I think his motivations were pure, and his actions, mixed.
Also, I doubt that public opinion in Cuba is monolithic, any moreso than it is anywhere else. You know, we do tend to find backup for what we already believe, which explains why neocons only seemed to stumble across disaffected Iraqis, and were convinced we'd be greeted with candy.
Anyway, the man cared, and he put his life on the line everyday to try and help the poorest of the poor, and those who suffered the most. So I think that to curse his name, then I would ask, well, what have you done for the poor today? Not YOU, YOU, but I am speaking generally here. So don't go Damo on me.
I don't know what he would have thought of Castro's Cuba had he lived, and even whether or not he would have broken with Castro. No one does. I can only judge his actions, and his motivations when he was alive. I think his motivations were pure, and his actions, mixed.I don't pretend to know much about Cuba. Or Che. Like I said, I just dig that poster of Che. It's way cool looking.
I do know that cuba has the best health care, and highest literacy in latin america. By far. Is it a paradise? Of course not. There's a high degree of political oppression, I'm sure.
I'm not so sure, though, that the cuban people are overwhelmingly anti-socialist, or anti-castro. That regime has lasted for half a century, through the most brutal and punishing sanctions america could throw at it. I doubt it would have lasted, if the cuban people were, overwhelmingly, dead-set against socialism, or Castro.
Beefy
Worst gambler ever
Well, from my experience, and the opinions of most Cuban Americans, there is very real anti-socialist and anti Castro sentiment among them.
I will say this though, had the US lifted its embargo when it became glaringly, painfully obvious that it only hurt the Cuban people and helped keep that motherfucker Castro in power, it wouldn't have gone on this long. So long as the people are kept starving, they are powerless, and I think trade with the US would have resulted in Castro's demise years ago.
That being said, the Cubans are not very fond of their way of life. Prisoners in this country have pretty decent healthcare as well. But it sure as shit not worth the trade off.