Disturbing trend of Trump voters rejecting Covid vaccines

Jarod said:
So you believe a Muslim Ban would have been unconstitutional? You support the Muslims right to build the ground zero Mosque?
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I do. if you had any amount of memory retention you'd remember we had this discussion twice in the last 3 years when I also criticized trump for it.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Big Money Dolla,



My understanding of medical science is that the presence of antibodies does not ensure immunity. There is an issue of the level of antibodies. Immunity might require more than are indicated in a test.
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My titers 1:1590

Here is an article so you can have better understanding of the efficacy of preventing and neutralizing the COVID virus.

https://www.infectiousdiseaseadviso...ivalent-to-high-neutralizing-antibody-titers/[/quote]


The CDC is comprised of many very highly educated scientists with extensive experience. I would not begin to try to tell the CDC what they should be doing. The CDC certainly does not tell us that if we have antibodies or the vaccine we can ignore all the guidelines. What they have been saying is we should still ere on the side of caution and continue to observe the guidelines. President Biden says he is hopeful that by July 4th, we can have small family gatherings. That's what I am listening to.
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The CDC is as much a political entity as it is a scientific one. as you see above, there is clear science regarding the level of neutralizing antibodies required. yet the CDC is not sharing or informing people of this, or in many cases the information like I posted above is presented by the CDC and the agitating media ignores it as it does not fit the narrative. This is why I feel it highly important to find source materials for debate and information, not news sites who sell a narrative that often is not the truth.


regarding July 4th, that's an arbitrary date and we are going to be fine much sooner than that.


And it is only logical. Any risks taken are risking lives. Even if we think the risks are minimal, you don't get lives back once they are gone. And we have lost too many already.
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Science says I am not killing anyone with the titer level I have above and that I am immune from Covid. so no it is not logical it is emotional your position. Life is risk, there is something called "acceptable risk" statistically I am more likely to die or kill someone driving to get the vaccine at this point than I am from getting covid and/or passing it on to someone else.


That's just reality, facts, and science.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
what's really laughable is watching both democrats and republicans hate on Libertarians to cover up their terror of the freedom others might enjoy. why are you afraid of freedom?
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Please tell us what "freedom" you enjoy that the rest of us don't. I can hardly wait to hear this.
 
Jarod said:
Nobody, the Supreme Court would not allow it, but your hero Donald Trump, during the campaign, promised to do it, and you still voted for him.
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My hero? why present yourself as a moron? debate like an adult. lol I did not vote for trump, what purpose does it serve to lie?


Trump banned people from certain terrorist countries, it was not a Muslim ban.
 
Big Money Dolla said:
What specifically did Biden do to "completely turn around" our pandemic response? the only thing that changed was the coverage by a hostile press and he simply wears a mask. Besides lying in his address about trumps response, what else did he do? nothing has changed, biden took over as the 800 million doses ordered by trump started arriving.
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we keep asking that question and no one answers it......obviously because Biden hasn't done anything yet......
 
Jarod said:
So you believe a Muslim Ban would have been unconstitutional? You support the Muslims right to build the ground zero Mosque?
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why do you think they should have a "right" to build there?.......would other people have a "right" to build a DNC office or a whorehouse there?.......(please do not accuse me of redundancy)........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
we keep asking that question and no one answers it......obviously because Biden hasn't done anything yet......
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It is amazing how people are so duped by literally nothing. Bidens speech indicated trump did nothing, but all these vaccines that we are getting were ordered by trump, pushed through and fast tracked by opreration warp speed. All while this was happening, democrats were attacking it and saying they would never take a vaccine developed during the trump administration.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I think they call that the 1st Amendment and the right to acquire property..............just sayin
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sorry no.......ground zero property was not being offered for sale.....they made a proposal to lease property and use it as a mosque.....there is no "first amendment right" to lease property.......
 
Big Money Dolla said:
You didn't answer my question. I didn't say "better" I am sure you may be correct, what I am saying that in order for this nation to have the success of say S. Korea, you would need a culturally obedient public and while S. Korea is a democracy, they are a very statist ethnocentric nation.. so in order for us to handle the virus like say china claims (if you believe them) you would have to manage the virus at gunpoint.


The downplaying btw, was done by St. Fauci and co. Trump who knows nothing of anything science, sold St. Fauci's positions.
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You are cherry picking what I said.

Go back and read the list of developed countries I highlighted which were reasonably successful in managing the pandemic outbreak. Developed democratic countries are on that list.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
democrats want to heavily restrict the 2nd Amendment. republicans want to do away with the right to choose..........the list goes on

Libertarians are about individual liberty respecting the boundaries of personal space and freedom. why do you fear freedom?
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A better question would be why do you believe that I do?
 
Cypress said:
You are cherry picking what I said.

Go back and read the list of developed countries I highlighted which were reasonably successful in managing the pandemic outbreak. Developed democratic countries are on that list.
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I didn't cherry pick shit. you are avoiding the discussion at this point. I don't know where said list is, the quote I posted had no such list.
 
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