Do Felons Have A Right To Own Guns On Their Properties?

[Into the Night]

According to the Constitution, they do.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper. The Constitution does not grant rights. That is not it's purpose.
The right to self defense using any and all methods available is inherent. Even animals have this capability.

Explain why you think it's a yes or no.

No. Explanation above.

Do felons have the right to own cars on their properties and drive them around on their properties, especially when convicted with multiple DUIs? Especially when it involves vehicular manslaughter or murder.

Assuming said felon is out of prison, yes.

Driving on public roads is a different thing.

Assuming said felon is out of prison and can conform to the rules of the public highways, including licensing requirements, yes.

Inquiring minds want to know.

What sayth thus?

Inquiring is a good thing. It asks for clarifications and definitions. One should pay attention to the answers to such an inquiry though.

 

[AProudLefty]

Rights do not come from a piece of paper. The Constitution does not grant rights. That is not it's purpose.
The right to self defense using any and all methods available is inherent. Even animals have this capability.

I have agreed with you on that before many times. The Constitution guarantees that our government doesn't DENY us our rights.

Assuming said felon is out of prison, yes.

I have agreed with you on that one too many times.

Assuming said felon is out of prison and can conform to the rules of the public highways, including licensing requirements, yes.

Yep.

Inquiring is a good thing. It asks for clarifications and definitions. One should pay attention to the answers to such an inquiry though.

You are in one of those rare moments when you can be lucid and make sense. Please keep it up.

 

[Into the Night]

I believe once they have fulfilled their sentence for their crime, including parole, then they should be able to vote, get a grant, get a loan, get a job and own a gun. I think if it’s a violent crime, they need to get a license and insurance.

Nope. The right to self defense is inherent. No requirement of a license or insurance is going to change that.

 

[Into the Night]

once a convicted person fulfills their sentence, they should be accorded every single right and freedom they had before. If they can't be trusted in public with a weapon, they can't be trusted in public.

Works for me.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes. So why not keep them in prison?

Good question.

 

[Into the Night]

Actually they don't. Loss of the right to own a gun is part of their sentence. Just like loss of their liberty is part of their sentence. Its already been to the SCOTUS and the Court rule it was constitutional.

SCOTUS does not have authority to change the Constitution.

 

[AProudLefty]

Good question.

Yeah. If they are so scared of felons having their rights restored and/or making laws restricting their rights, why not keep them in prisons indefinitely?

 

[Into the Night]

Many "infractions" are now a felony when they weren't years ago. Take eluding an officer, 40 years ago, it was just a fine and 6 months loss of driver's license.
I believe if the felony doesn't include the use of a firearm or violence of any kind, after the sentence is fulfilled, all constitutional rights should be reinstated.

Constitutions do not grant rights. That is not their purpose. No right comes from a piece of paper.

 

[Into the Night]

I believe a felon can own any black powder, non-cartridge firearm. I believe that also includes an inline black powder rifle, which are quite accurate these days.

I do not recognize any law that is unconstitutional.

 

[Into the Night]

Second question: is there any limit to the "arms" that are referred to in the Constitution? Remember "arms" meant cannons, not handguns at the time. Do we have the right to own tanks, anti-aircraft guns, machine guns, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, etc?

Yes.
"arms" means ANY kind of arm, whether it's a knife, a handgun or a nuclear bomb.

 

[Damocles]

once a convicted person fulfills their sentence, they should be accorded every single right and freedom they had before. If they can't be trusted in public with a weapon, they can't be trusted in public.

A life sentence means that though they may be paroled their sentence continues. That sentence never ends. If they violate parole they are subject to a return to prison.

 

[Into the Night]

wrong very wrong .. Clearly your not experienced in dealing with felons and their behavior.
for every crime a thug is caught at they generally commit several even dozens.

Felons can get a load or a job no one is saying they ant. people dont like hiring thives and baby rapers and rapist and arsonist .

I would like to talk more about the subject with you as a adult . Ill be nice promise. right niw I have to get ready as buddy and myself are going to my private gunlub to practice dealing with felons

So you want to convict someone of a crime they have not been convicted of, simply because they served their time for a conviction??

 

[Into the Night]

Slavery was constitutional.

What has this got to do with ExpressLane's post???

 

[AProudLefty]

Not sure if anyone read my post on, I think, 2nd page.

Basically my friend served his time. He was forced to give up his gun collection on his wall that was passed down in family.

Is that really right?

 

[AProudLefty]

What has this got to do with ExpressLane's post???

He said this: "Its already been to the SCOTUS and the Court rule it was constitutional."

As per his claim that SCOTUS making something constitutional against the Constitution, then it stands to reason that the SCOTUS decision made slavery constitutional.

 

[Damocles]

Slavery was constitutional.

If you are convicted of a crime forced labor is still constitutional.

U.S. Constitution: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

It is also constitutional to remove other specific rights (such as voting if you are still under sentence like the life sentence where someone was paroled I explained earlier, and owning a firearm).

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Not sure if anyone read my post on, I think, 2nd page.

Basically my friend served his time. He was forced to give up his gun collection on his wall that was passed down in family.

Is that really right?

I don't think so. But there's no consensus on that. Some states don't even want to let them vote.
Again, if the felons were euthanized instead of incarcerated, at least their estates would get to keep the guns.

 

[AProudLefty]

If you are convicted of a crime forced labor is still constitutional.



It is also constitutional to remove other specific rights (such as voting if you are still under sentence like the life sentence where someone was paroled I explained earlier, and owning a firearm).

Serving time? Yes. Indentured servitude is also constitutional. Somebody gotta pay something.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

A life sentence means that though they may be paroled their sentence continues. That sentence never ends. If they violate parole they are subject to a return to prison.

If they can't be trusted with a weapon, they can't be trusted in public. parole or not. irrelevant

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Not sure if anyone read my post on, I think, 2nd page.

Basically my friend served his time. He was forced to give up his gun collection on his wall that was passed down in family.

Is that really right?

a few of us have answered that. some of do not think that is right........or constitutional