Do you expect Trump to be jailed before the election?

Publius said:
You can't end crime, you can only put a dent in it. Same is true with terrorism. In trying to do the impossible, Netanyahu is committing war crimes. Yes, the sicko terrorists hide behind hospitals and schools, but what, you're gonna do? --bomb the hospital and schools? You really can't do that.
There is a middle ground where you can render Hamas impotent without committing war crimes and it doesn't look like Netanyahu is considering it.
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DON'T TRY TO BLAME HAMAS WAR CRIMES ON ISRAEL!
 
Publius said:
We are not going to turn the country into Venezuela, and that's what you are insinuating, right? Get real.
What you don't understand is that our policies are more popular than your policies. We do have some common ground, though.
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Omniscience fallacy. You don't get to speak for everyone.

Discarding and denouncing the Constitution of the United States is NOT "common ground".
Publius said:
We had the most conservative bill ever,
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You are hallucinating again.
Publius said:
negotiated by a Republican (Sen Lankford), and Trump told sycophant Speaker Johnson to shelve it because Trump wanted to make it a campaign issue. No,. Republicans are the reason.
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DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT TYRANNY ON TRUMP!
Publius said:
Doubtful. If it does happen, America will suffer, as it suffered while he was in office.
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It didn't.
 
Ross Dolan said:
I agree with everything you said here, Nordberg...

...EXCEPT that last sentence.

Trump will almost certainly NOT escape justice. (If he does, our Republic is finished.)
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No crime. Political imprisonment is not justice. DON'T TRY TO HIDE BEHIND THE CONSTITUTION YOU DESPISE!
 
Publius said:
Your evidence for that contention is what?
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The law.
Publius said:
Your evidence for that contention is what?
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The law.
Publius said:
The investigation into Trump began before he dec;lared himself a candidate. He declared his candicacy long before most do, no doubt to frame the argument as 'election interference'.
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DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD ON TRUMP!
Publius said:
If a candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot. Your reference to 'We the People" is posturing. You are not 'the people'.
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No crime. 'We the People' is not posturing. Trump received 100% of the delegate vote. Those delegates are voted to become delegates by We the People.
Publius said:
We the just people have high hopes the criminal, fraudster, con man, pervert, Trump will be convicted and sent to prison, where he belongs.

I'll file that in the wishful thinking file, and also the 'I'm ignorant on the subject of Marxism' file.

Well, in the clown department, which disqualifies him for being the 'best president', on that count, alone, we have:


I said Trump is a threat to US National Security, for a number of reasons, and I simply can't limit it to 10, sorry:

His debt to foreign banks is a national security threat.

His incessant undermining public faith in elections is a national security threat.

His incessant assertion that the press is the enemy of the people undermine public confidence in the very thing that protects them from tyranny, i.e., a vigorous and free press, which is a threat to liberal democracy, and a national security threat.

His contempt of congress and obstruction of justice is a threat to national security

His attempt to use the DOJ for political ends is a threat to national security

His hiring lobbyists to the cabinet posts they fought against is a threat to national security

His failure to grasp the seriousness of climate change is a threat to national security ( this is the big one)

His gutting the state department, leaving half of the ambassadorships unfilled is a threat to national security

His hiring of incompetent persons is a threat national security.

His incompetence handling Covid is a threat to national security

the unprecedented turnover in the white house is a threat to national security

His tendency to hire sycophants/yes men, and fire those who speak truth to power is a threat to national security.

His lack of knowledge of US history, lack of knowledge of civics, and many things along these lines, is a threat to national security

His arrogance and total lack of empathy, and total lack of humility, plus the above, means he is unfit for the job and his unfitness is a threat to national security.

His nepotism is a threat to national security.

His corruption, bilking of the US Taxpayer to the tune of $16 million from entourage stays in his hotels and resorts, all of which his family has profited and his nepotism, allowing his daughter in law to win millions of dollars worth of China trademarks while he was negotiating with China is a threat to national security.

His nauseating fawning over Putin whose objective is to destroy and/or greatly diminish America's standing in the world, is a threat to national security

His incessant egregious lying, i.,e., "Truth Decay" is a threat to national security

His usurping the Senate by appointing 'acting' heads of departments of whom the president is supposed to appoint and be confirmed by the Senate, the acting heads cause more instability and decrease of moral in the rank and file in those departments,
is a threat to national security

His firing of Comey, which was detrimental to the morale of the rank and file of the FBI, and Trump's scapegoating the FBI, and undermining a once trusted American institution (post Hoover, of course). is a threat to national security

His acquiescing to Erdogan by allowing DOJ to interfere in US Attorney's office investigation of a Turkish bank because it will adversely affect members of Erdogan's family, noting that Erdogan tried to do it with Obama, and his DOJ refused, but Erdogan is finding Trump a pliant president, noting that Trump abandoning the kurds, who were instrumental in helping us in the Iraq war, whose members died for America, Trump did this to appease Erdogan, whereupon the vacuum that that pull out created forced the Kurds to turn to Russia, thus increasing Russia's influence in the region, noting that Trump has property in Turkey, is a threat to national security

His decision to begin the process of withdrawing the United States from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty will end an arms control agreement with Russia that has been a centerpiece of European security since the Cold War. The move, meant to penalize Russia for noncompliance, is likely to alarm the international community, particularly Europe, and cause fears that the US and Russia could enter a new nuclear arms race is a threat to national security

His pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, A massive trade deal meant to counteract China's economic power. Trump ran on a promise to spike the plan, saying it was unfair to American workers. The pact was never officially adopted by Congress. The other 11 nations have carried on without the US, the void this pullout caused allowed China to gain considerable influence over international Trade in the affected regions. The partnership was an agreement that was the result of many years of negotiation is a threat to national security

His pullout of the Iran nuclear deal. Despite criticism, the deal bought America about 15 years of time to work on ways to thwart their development of nukes, and without the deal, they are restored to their pre-agreement abilities, with one difference, their money in banks, which was frozen, is now in their hands, so we don't have the benefit of the agreement nor the benefit of the freeze on their funds is a threat to national security

His receiving a $500 million dollar loan from Deutsche Bank while simultaneously a deposit that amount was made to that bank, the money coming from a Russian state bank ( which means Putin controlled ) which makes Trump beholden to Putin, which explains his refusal to criticize Putin, or do much about Russian election interference is a threat to national security

His failure to grasp certain fundamental economic concepts, his contentions which are essentially false, such as 'Tariffs are paid by China" ( no, they are paid by Americans ) is a threat to national security

His appointing of a Postmaster General whose apparent mission was to slow down mail in ballots from arriving on time, noting that this postmaster general (Dejoy) has failed to comply with a court order to expedite the mail in ballots is a threat to national security

His 'tax cut' which was nothing more than largesse for the superrich, and crumbs for everyone else thus causing deficits to careen to levels history has never seen is a threat to national security

His repeal of many important environmental regulations is a threat to national security.


Yeah, nothing more impotent than declaring yourself the 'winner', as if we are in a contest. What a schmoe.

Sticks and stones.....you sociopath.

Your lack of empathy so fogs your mind you can't see that his charges are backed by evidence. A jury, consisting of a cross section of Manhattan, of whom some 90,000 votes were cast for Trump, demonstrating part of the jury had to be Trump voters, and we know Juror #2 got his news from Truth Social, it's fair to say he was convicted by a jury of peers. It only takes one to hang a jury, and that juror saw the evidence and voted him down. Sorry, your contention is bullshit.
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IBDaMann said:
You aren't a practicing psychiatric professional.
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So? In the court of public opinion, given the clinical description of a sociopath, I'd say it fits him, perfect, which is enough to warrant such an opinion.
IBDaMann said:
You posted a meme to make your case?
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If it's accurate, why not? It's a fact that a large number of women have accused Trump of sexual abuse.
www.independent.co.uk

A sexual abuse ruling. 26 other accusations. Frontrunner to be the next President

At least 26 women have credibly accused Donald Trump of sexual assault, non-consensual touching and kissing, as Bevan Hurley reports
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Into the Night said:
The law.
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The 'law' is not evidence.
Into the Night said:
The law.
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The 'law' is not evidence.
Into the Night said:
DON'T TRY TO BLAME DEMOCRAT ELECTION FRAUD ON TRUMP!
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Your evidence that Democrats committed election fraud is what?
Into the Night said:
No crime. 'We the People' is not posturing.
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Fine,, 'we the people', but the salient point was If a candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot.
Into the Night said:
Trump received 100% of the delegate vote. Those delegates are voted to become delegates by We the People.
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Like i said, if your prefered candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot. Unless, of course, you're okay with a criminal as president. I'm not.
 
Publius said:
So? In the court of public opinion, given the clinical description of a sociopath, I'd say it fits him, perfect, which is enough to warrant such an opinion.

If it's accurate, why not? It's a fact that a large number of women have accused Trump of sexual abuse.
www.independent.co.uk

A sexual abuse ruling. 26 other accusations. Frontrunner to be the next President

At least 26 women have credibly accused Donald Trump of sexual assault, non-consensual touching and kissing, as Bevan Hurley reports
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Mantra 1d. It won't work, Sybil.
 
Publius said:
The 'law' is not evidence.

The 'law' is not evidence.
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Yes it is, Sybil.
Publius said:
Your evidence that Democrats committed election fraud is what?
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Already listed to you. RQAA. Stop asking the same question mindlessly.
Publius said:
Fine,, 'we the people', but the salient point was If a candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot.
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No crime.
Publius said:
Like i said, if your prefered candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot. Unless, of course, you're okay with a criminal as president. I'm not.
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No crime.

DON'T TRY TO JUSTIFY A KANGAROO COURT!
 
Publius said:
Your evidence for that contention is what?

Your evidence for that contention is what?


The investigation into Trump began before he dec;lared himself a candidate. He declared his candicacy long before most do, no doubt to frame the argument as 'election interference'.

If a candidate is a criminal, your preference is moot. Your reference to 'We the People" is posturing. You are not 'the people'.

We the just people have high hopes the criminal, fraudster, con man, pervert, Trump will be convicted and sent to prison, where he belongs.

I'll file that in the wishful thinking file, and also the 'I'm ignorant on the subject of Marxism' file.

Well, in the clown department, which disqualifies him for being the 'best president', on that count, alone, we have:


I said Trump is a threat to US National Security, for a number of reasons, and I simply can't limit it to 10, sorry:

His debt to foreign banks is a national security threat.

His incessant undermining public faith in elections is a national security threat.

His incessant assertion that the press is the enemy of the people undermine public confidence in the very thing that protects them from tyranny, i.e., a vigorous and free press, which is a threat to liberal democracy, and a national security threat.

His contempt of congress and obstruction of justice is a threat to national security

His attempt to use the DOJ for political ends is a threat to national security

His hiring lobbyists to the cabinet posts they fought against is a threat to national security

His failure to grasp the seriousness of climate change is a threat to national security ( this is the big one)

His gutting the state department, leaving half of the ambassadorships unfilled is a threat to national security

His hiring of incompetent persons is a threat national security.

His incompetence handling Covid is a threat to national security

the unprecedented turnover in the white house is a threat to national security

His tendency to hire sycophants/yes men, and fire those who speak truth to power is a threat to national security.

His lack of knowledge of US history, lack of knowledge of civics, and many things along these lines, is a threat to national security

His arrogance and total lack of empathy, and total lack of humility, plus the above, means he is unfit for the job and his unfitness is a threat to national security.

His nepotism is a threat to national security.

His corruption, bilking of the US Taxpayer to the tune of $16 million from entourage stays in his hotels and resorts, all of which his family has profited and his nepotism, allowing his daughter in law to win millions of dollars worth of China trademarks while he was negotiating with China is a threat to national security.

His nauseating fawning over Putin whose objective is to destroy and/or greatly diminish America's standing in the world, is a threat to national security

His incessant egregious lying, i.,e., "Truth Decay" is a threat to national security

His usurping the Senate by appointing 'acting' heads of departments of whom the president is supposed to appoint and be confirmed by the Senate, the acting heads cause more instability and decrease of moral in the rank and file in those departments,
is a threat to national security

His firing of Comey, which was detrimental to the morale of the rank and file of the FBI, and Trump's scapegoating the FBI, and undermining a once trusted American institution (post Hoover, of course). is a threat to national security

His acquiescing to Erdogan by allowing DOJ to interfere in US Attorney's office investigation of a Turkish bank because it will adversely affect members of Erdogan's family, noting that Erdogan tried to do it with Obama, and his DOJ refused, but Erdogan is finding Trump a pliant president, noting that Trump abandoning the kurds, who were instrumental in helping us in the Iraq war, whose members died for America, Trump did this to appease Erdogan, whereupon the vacuum that that pull out created forced the Kurds to turn to Russia, thus increasing Russia's influence in the region, noting that Trump has property in Turkey, is a threat to national security

His decision to begin the process of withdrawing the United States from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty will end an arms control agreement with Russia that has been a centerpiece of European security since the Cold War. The move, meant to penalize Russia for noncompliance, is likely to alarm the international community, particularly Europe, and cause fears that the US and Russia could enter a new nuclear arms race is a threat to national security

His pulling out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, A massive trade deal meant to counteract China's economic power. Trump ran on a promise to spike the plan, saying it was unfair to American workers. The pact was never officially adopted by Congress. The other 11 nations have carried on without the US, the void this pullout caused allowed China to gain considerable influence over international Trade in the affected regions. The partnership was an agreement that was the result of many years of negotiation is a threat to national security

His pullout of the Iran nuclear deal. Despite criticism, the deal bought America about 15 years of time to work on ways to thwart their development of nukes, and without the deal, they are restored to their pre-agreement abilities, with one difference, their money in banks, which was frozen, is now in their hands, so we don't have the benefit of the agreement nor the benefit of the freeze on their funds is a threat to national security

His receiving a $500 million dollar loan from Deutsche Bank while simultaneously a deposit that amount was made to that bank, the money coming from a Russian state bank ( which means Putin controlled ) which makes Trump beholden to Putin, which explains his refusal to criticize Putin, or do much about Russian election interference is a threat to national security

His failure to grasp certain fundamental economic concepts, his contentions which are essentially false, such as 'Tariffs are paid by China" ( no, they are paid by Americans ) is a threat to national security

His appointing of a Postmaster General whose apparent mission was to slow down mail in ballots from arriving on time, noting that this postmaster general (Dejoy) has failed to comply with a court order to expedite the mail in ballots is a threat to national security

His 'tax cut' which was nothing more than largesse for the superrich, and crumbs for everyone else thus causing deficits to careen to levels history has never seen is a threat to national security

His repeal of many important environmental regulations is a threat to national security.


Yeah, nothing more impotent than declaring yourself the 'winner', as if we are in a contest. What a schmoe.

Sticks and stones.....you sociopath.

Your lack of empathy so fogs your mind you can't see that his charges are backed by evidence. A jury, consisting of a cross section of Manhattan, of whom some 90,000 votes were cast for Trump, demonstrating part of the jury had to be Trump voters, and we know Juror #2 got his news from Truth Social, it's fair to say he was convicted by a jury of peers. It only takes one to hang a jury, and that juror saw the evidence and voted him down. Sorry, your contention is bullshit.
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And the jury found him guilty of all 34 charges in a matter of hours. That shows the agreement was strong and united.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1829664146192732281

A Federal law enforcement agent has just told me that the New York State National Guard
@NationalGuardNY
has started staging guardsmen in hotels around the NYC courthouse where President Trump is going to be sentenced on September 18th, as they are expecting that Trump will be taken in to custody and sent directly to Rikers Island by Judge Juan Merchan. Source says the National Guard is being staged there because the Mayor of NYC
@ericadamsfornyc
and the Governor of New York
@GovKathyHochul
both believe the police unions are preparing to stage a mass “out sick” day in support of President Trump on September 18th because none of the officers want to be involved in the persecution of Donald Trump.
 
If you were convicted, by a jury, of 34 felonies, you would not be walking around. Trump always gets special treatment. He is out on bail awaiting sentencing. He should serve serious time, but he won't. Can you imagine what life would be for the judge if he threw fat ass Trump into jail?
 
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