Edwards gives the speech of a Lifetime...

It most certainly was a brilliant political move. From the article linked above...

Mr. Edwards, who reported this year that he had assets of nearly $30 million, came up with a novel solution, creating a nonprofit organization with the stated mission of fighting poverty. The organization, the Center for Promise and Opportunity, raised $1.3 million in 2005, and — unlike a sister charity he created to raise scholarship money for poor students — the main beneficiary of the center’s fund-raising was Mr. Edwards himself, tax filings show.

A spokesman for Mr. Edwards defended the center yesterday as a legitimate tool against poverty.

The organization became a big part of a shadow political apparatus for Mr. Edwards after his defeat as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004 and before the start of his presidential bid this time around. Its officers were members of his political staff, and it helped pay for his nearly constant travel, including to early primary states.

While Mr. Edwards said the organization’s purpose was “making the eradication of poverty the cause of this generation,” its federal filings say it financed “retreats and seminars” with foreign policy experts on Iraq and national security issues. Unlike the scholarship charity, donations to it were not tax deductible, and, significantly, it did not have to disclose its donors — as political action committees and other political fund-raising vehicles do — and there were no limits on the size of individual donations.

Mr. Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, set out to keep his political options open by promoting issues he cared about, like poverty.

“He wanted to learn, travel and be in a position to be a viable candidate,” said J. Edwin Turlington, a Raleigh lawyer who was the manager of Mr. Edward’s 2003 presidential exploratory committee. “He had the ability to raise money to fund his activities. He had a vision, and he knew it would take money.”

Mr. Edwards mixed policy and politics in a way that allowed his supporters to donate to the causes he believed in — and to the organizations he had set up. He also set up two political action committees, something commonly done by politicians thinking of running for president.

But it was his use of a tax-exempt organization to finance his travel and employ people connected to his past and current campaigns that went beyond what most other prospective candidates have done before pursuing national office. And according to experts on nonprofit foundations, Mr. Edwards pushed at the boundaries of how far such organizations can venture into the political realm. Such entities, which are regulated under Section 501C-4 of the tax code, can engage in advocacy but cannot make partisan political activities their primary purpose without risking loss of their tax-exempt status.

Because the organization is not required to disclose its donors — and the campaign declined to do so — it is not clear whether those who gave money to it did so understanding that they were supporting Mr. Edwards’s political viability as much or more than they were giving money to combat poverty.

The money paid Mr. Edwards’s expenses while he walked picket lines and met with Wall Street executives. He gave speeches, hired consultants, attacked the Bush administration and developed an online following. He led minimum-wage initiatives in five states, went frequently to Iowa, and appeared on television programs. He traveled to China, India, Brussels, Uganda and Russia, and met with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain and his likely successor, Gordon Brown, at 10 Downing Street.

“He was not a U.S. senator; he had no office,” said Ferrel Guillory, a political program director at the Center for the Study of the American South at the University of North Carolina. “So he set up a series of entities to finance his travel, to finance a political shop and to finance an issue shop. It all adds up to a remarkable feat of keeping a presidential candidacy alive without any of the traditional bases for it.”
 
that's what I meant. It was the speech of edwards lifetime.

I've been following politics a lot longer than you warren. Its been a long time since a top tier Democratic presidential candidate used this kind of economic populist rhetoric. In a credible way.

If you've been following politics a lot longer than me then I am truly sorry that this is the best speech you've ever heard. You should have watched the news more when you were young.
 
"Its been a long time since a top tier Democratic presidential candidate used this kind of economic populist rhetoric. In a credible way."

Right. A credible commitment to poverty like being a multimillionaire who demands a salary from his Poverty Institute.

Hilarious statement. Props to Cypress for good humor.
 
Give it a rest SF. You could dig through the financial records of any wealthy person, and dig up something that makes them look like a hypocrite. This is just Swiftboat crap.

The point is, that in looking at the totality of Edwards life, he's been on the side of working americans, and against wealthy special interests. He was against NAFTA before it was cool to be against it. He was the son of a mill worker. He could have made millions working as a corporate lawyer, or lobbyist, but chose to represent families and working americans. He was talking about poverty and economic fairness before it was cool to talk about it. He opened a poverty center, which is not exactly a brilliant political move, if you only care about kissing up to the party establishment.

You really have no room to question Edwards veracity and credibility on his core issues - give that you voted for a man, twice, who isn't credible on anything and doesn't even appear to have core principles, other than putting his friends in power and making them wealthy ;)


Cypress, you call is Swiftboat crap but I see it as the same hypocricy that you see when you post an "anti-gay" Republican getting caught trying to have gay sex thread.
 
Edwards is a poser, a phoney and not even a longshot for VP.
He's for weak minded people without spines.
 
Cypress, you call is Swiftboat crap but I see it as the same hypocricy that you see when you post an "anti-gay" Republican getting caught trying to have gay sex thread.

Really. So you think that, because I eat every day, when I say that no one in America should go hungry, I am displaying the "same hypocrisy" that someone who says gay sex is immoral and wrong displays when they have gay sex in secret?

Well, that's a viewpoint. I guess.
 
If you've been following politics a lot longer than me then I am truly sorry that this is the best speech you've ever heard. You should have watched the news more when you were young.

Darnit all. And Edwards was this close to getting your vote too.
 
"Its been a long time since a top tier Democratic presidential candidate used this kind of economic populist rhetoric. In a credible way."

Right. A credible commitment to poverty like being a multimillionaire who demands a salary from his Poverty Institute.

Hilarious statement. Props to Cypress for good humor.

He was hired by the University of North Carolina as a adjunt Professor. That's where his salary came from.

A Democrat getting a salary? Perish the thought! Democrats should work for free!

Only republicans should draw salaries!
 
It most certainly was a brilliant political move. From the article linked above...

Mr. Edwards, who reported this year that he had assets of nearly $30 million, came up with a novel solution, creating a nonprofit organization with the stated mission of fighting poverty. The organization, the Center for Promise and Opportunity, raised $1.3 million in 2005, and — unlike a sister charity he created to raise scholarship money for poor students — the main beneficiary of the center’s fund-raising was Mr. Edwards himself, tax filings show.

A spokesman for Mr. Edwards defended the center yesterday as a legitimate tool against poverty.

The organization became a big part of a shadow political apparatus for Mr. Edwards after his defeat as the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2004 and before the start of his presidential bid this time around. Its officers were members of his political staff, and it helped pay for his nearly constant travel, including to early primary states.

While Mr. Edwards said the organization’s purpose was “making the eradication of poverty the cause of this generation,” its federal filings say it financed “retreats and seminars” with foreign policy experts on Iraq and national security issues. Unlike the scholarship charity, donations to it were not tax deductible, and, significantly, it did not have to disclose its donors — as political action committees and other political fund-raising vehicles do — and there were no limits on the size of individual donations.

Mr. Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, set out to keep his political options open by promoting issues he cared about, like poverty.

“He wanted to learn, travel and be in a position to be a viable candidate,” said J. Edwin Turlington, a Raleigh lawyer who was the manager of Mr. Edward’s 2003 presidential exploratory committee. “He had the ability to raise money to fund his activities. He had a vision, and he knew it would take money.”


I'm assuming Edwards hasn't been convicted of breaking any laws. If you have evidence that Edwards is either under indictment, or criminal investigation, please provide it.

As for using his charitable work as a platform and talking point for his campaign....GASP! Perish the thought! I guess its not possible that someone would do charitable work, and then use it on their resume, brag about it, or leverage it to promote their campaign for a leadership position.

We're not hiring Sister Teresa or Ghandi to be president. We're hiring ambitious men and women.

Odd that in all these threads about edwards, its always about haircuts, or alleged sneaky tax schemes...and not his positions of NAFTA, the Iraq War, or universal healthcare. ;)
 
He was hired by the University of North Carolina as a adjunt Professor. That's where his salary came from.

A Democrat getting a salary? Perish the thought! Democrats should work for free!

Only republicans should draw salaries!

He took money from his foundation and used it to employ his campaign staff.
 
I'm assuming Edwards hasn't been convicted of breaking any laws. If you have evidence that Edwards is either under indictment, or criminal investigation, please provide it.

Do you assume that the law is the definition of proper or moral action?

I did not say he broke any law, so I fail to see your point.

As for using his charitable work as a platform and talking point for his campaign....GASP! Perish the thought! I guess its not possible that someone would do charitable work, and then use it on their resume, brag about it, or leverage it to promote their campaign for a leadership position.

What charitable work? The organization is little more than an extension of his campaign. It's primary purpose was political.

We're not hiring Sister Teresa or Ghandi to be president. We're hiring ambitious men and women.

Ummmm, your side is the one that continues to present this charlatan as some sort of moral and virtuous man, sincerely concerned with the poor.
 
Umm wages/salary ? So what.

Cheney take money from haliburton and gives em no bid contracts.

You guys are arguing that he is this great guy because he setup a charity to help the poor. When shown, it does little more than help his candidacy for president you say so what and we are not hiring Mother Theresa.

Now we get, he is no worse than Cheney. Fantastic endorsement. But I have not heard anyone arguing that Cheney is righteous because he worked for Halliburton.
 
You guys are arguing that he is this great guy because he setup a charity to help the poor. When shown, it does little more than help his candidacy for president you say so what and we are not hiring Mother Theresa.

Now we get, he is no worse than Cheney. Fantastic endorsement. But I have not heard anyone arguing that Cheney is righteous because he worked for Halliburton.

i hear repubs and righties complaining about edwards taking a salary for a charitable org but no outrage over Cheney's apparent conflict of interest. That is my point. The extreme partisanship.
 
your below a moron usc
having an energy expert in the white house is not a conflict of interest.
Your too stupid to realize that they got you cheap energy back on the farm
 
Yeah it is really cheap :
Propane is up about 250% over 5 years ago.
gas is up how much over 5 yrs ago ?
Electricity ?
 
You guys are arguing that he is this great guy because he setup a charity to help the poor. When shown, it does little more than help his candidacy for president you say so what and we are not hiring Mother Theresa.

Now we get, he is no worse than Cheney. Fantastic endorsement. But I have not heard anyone arguing that Cheney is righteous because he worked for Halliburton.

You haven't "shown" anybody anything other than you're not going to vote for Edwards, which is a huge shock from a Libertarian.

You have no idea why he does what he does, what his intent is, or what is in his heart. He works to raise awareness about poverty, and yet you "know" that he only does because of ambition. You know what? Even if so, I'll take someone who uses the fight against poverty to further his ambitions, over someone who uses the fight to fatten his big fat oil wallet to further his ambitions. But, you have not "shown" that it is so. Sorry.
 
your below a moron usc
having an energy expert in the white house is not a conflict of interest.
Your too stupid to realize that they got you cheap energy back on the farm

Having the wolves guard the henhouses has been a hall mark of this adminstration and it certainly is a conflict of interest and only a moron would argue otherwise.
 
Yeah it is really cheap :
Propane is up about 250% over 5 years ago.
gas is up how much over 5 yrs ago ?
Electricity ?
Propane isn't up 250% from five years ago. I pay pretty much the same now as I did then when filling the propane tank for the house.
 
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