Electric Cars Exploding from Water Damage after Ian

ThatOwlWoman said:
As I said earlier, gasoline-powered vehicles can be ruined by flooding too. Comparing a Tesla to a model T is ludicrous.
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Well said, Ms. Owl. The far right morons will never win this argument. Every argument against EVs has been shot full of holes.
EVs are here to stay. Sales of EVs are through the roof. Check out the car ads. Seems like car manufacturers don't even advertise their gas cars anymore. It's all about EVs.

This must really make the MAGA cult wet their panties. I find that very humorous.
 
BartenderElite said:
Conservatives don't seem to want anything but fossil fuels to work.

I find that odd.
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I hear you. EVs are clearly superior in energy cost, performance, maintenance. And as an extra bonus, they don't fill the air with noxious fumes.
Maybe that's what makes them wet their panties.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am not sure, but we have newly discovered a flaw in the technology which leads to catastrophic failure.

EDIT: THis absolutely will effect liability rates.
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If you really believe that, I suggest you short Tesla. Let me know how that goes.
Haw, haw.............haw
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Well said, Ms. Owl. The far right morons will never win this argument. Every argument against EVs has been shot full of holes.
EVs are here to stay. Sales of EVs are through the roof. Check out the car ads. Seems like car manufacturers don't even advertise their gas cars anymore. It's all about EVs.

This must really make the MAGA cult wet their panties. I find that very humorous.
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Hydrogen is the future, Mr. Crapitalist.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
If you really believe that, I suggest you short Tesla. Let me know how that goes.
Haw, haw.............haw
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You really are a brainless bozo!!

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Life is Golden said:
When waterlogged, batteries corrode and explode.
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Or short, and start a fire... And in the case of gasoline cars, the fires started by their batteries tend to cause very big explosions. Did you forget that gasoline cars have batteries too? Electric cars, by definition, do not have gasoline.
 
Walt said:
Or short, and start a fire... And in the case of gasoline cars, the fires started by their batteries tend to cause very big explosions. Did you forget that gasoline cars have batteries too? Electric cars, by definition, do not have gasoline.
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Car batteries have been known to ignite from the fume of charging a lead-acid battery in an enclosed space spraying sulphuric acid all over the place. Very dangerous.

https://www.mtcounties.org/news/association-news/safety-corner/lesson-learned-exploding-batteries/
On 2/13/19 A lead-acid battery exploded in a member county road shop. Battery acid splashed on to the employee. Luckily, the employee was not injured because he was wearing Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), which included safety googles, rubber gloves, boots, and a long sleeve shirt.

The employee states he brought the lead-acid battery in from outside (The temperature outside was below zero). He set the battery on the heated floor and let it warmup for over an hour. Then he moved the battery to a counter. Before hooking up the charger to the battery, he checked the battery for any damage or bulging. He set the charger to a slow charge. Forty-five minutes later he checked the battery and it was not charging. He wiggled one of the charging cables and the battery exploded. The employee did get some battery acid on him. He immediately stripped off his outer layer of clothes and flushed his skin. Today he has no visible skin irritation.

Why did the battery explode?
Lead-acid batteries can produce explosive mixtures of hydrogen and oxygen gases when they are being charged. When the employee wiggled the cable it probably sparked the explosive mixtures.

The employee believes he could have shut off the charger before he wiggled the cable but also believes the battery would have exploded once the charger was turned back on. Charging batteries is done routinely in this road shop and a battery has never exploded before.

This incident could have resulted in a very serious eye injury (blindness) or serious skin burns. I give kudos to this employee for wearing his PPE.

If employees have the task of charging batteries, please read the fact sheet below. Know the hazards, proper procedures, and proper PPE !



Fact Sheet: Charging Batteries
Why should you follow safety precautions when charging batteries?
Lead-acid batteries contain sulfuric acid and only trained and authorized personnel should handle them. When talking about lead-acid batteries, people usually call sulfuric acid “battery acid” or the “electrolyte”. An electrolyte is general term used to describe a non-metallic substance like sulfuric acid or salts that can conduct electricity when dissolved in water.

Lead-acid batteries can produce explosive mixtures of hydrogen and oxygen gases when they are being charged. Note that in some cases, hydrogen gas has been found to interfere with carbon monoxide detectors. Check with your detector manufacturer(s) for more information.

Charge batteries only in approved, ventilated battery-charging areas.
Install a safety shower and an eyewash station in a battery-charging area.
What are some precautions to use when handling battery acid?
Wear splash-proof goggles and protective clothing (gloves and aprons). A face shield (with safety goggles) may also be necessary when handling sulfuric acid in an open system.
Do not store acid in hot locations or in direct sunlight.
Pour concentrated acid slowly into water: do not add water into acid. Use non-metallic containers and funnels.
Use extreme care to avoid spilling or splashing the sulfuric acid solution. It can destroy clothing and burn the eyes and skin.
Use an eyewash station if the sulfuric acid solution is splashed into the eye.
Neutralize spilled or splashed sulfuric acid solution with a baking soda solution and rinse the spill area with clean water.
What do I do if someone gets sulfuric acid on their skin?
Avoid direct contact. Wear chemical-resistant protective clothing, if necessary.
As quickly as possible, flush the contaminated area with lukewarm, gently flowing water for at least 30 minutes.
If irritation persists, repeat flushing. DO NOT INTERRUPT FLUSHING. If necessary, keep emergency vehicle waiting.
Under running water, remove contaminated clothing, shoes and other leather goods (e.g., watchbands, belts). Discard contaminated clothing, shoes and leather goods.
Transport the victim to an emergency care facility immediately.
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Walt said:
Or short, and start a fire... And in the case of gasoline cars, the fires started by their batteries tend to cause very big explosions. Did you forget that gasoline cars have batteries too? Electric cars, by definition, do not have gasoline.
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I've driven thru many puddles and water in gasoline cars and they never exploded.
 
We are not talking about boats here, we are talking about automobiles. Boats actually belong in the water. Not the batteries however. You could ruin a good boat if it sinks and is totally submerged in water.

Automobiles are not supposed to be submerged in water in the first place.

However, during a flood- AUTOMOBILES DO GET SUBMERGED IN WATER AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE AUTOMOBILES OR THEIR MANUFACTURERS AT FAULT.

Lithium batteries do pose a problem as we have seen, on rare incidences, Cell Phones catch on fire, laptops have been known to catch fire, and even children's toys with Lithium batteries can become dangerous under several conditions- being submerged in water, is only one of them.

BUT HERE AGAIN, THESE ARE RARE OCCURRENCES- AND NOT A WIDE BLOWN PROBLEM.

So I am not going to dance around the problem. As to my knowledge, I have not heard of any incident, where a Battery Fire from an ELECTRIC CAR has caused any human pain or suffering. BUT, there will always be a first time, and before that can happen, THE ELECTRIC CAR MANUFACTURERS should take every precaution and make sure that the engineering of the battery compartments should include keeping them totally waterproof. This may even require a RECALL!

BUT WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS SCRAP THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF MAKING ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILES JUST BECAUSE OF A PROBLEM THAT CAN BE EASILY RESOLVED WITH JUST SOME SIMPLE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS. Most ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FLOODING OF CARS WITH LITHIUM BATTERIES.

If WATCHES CAN BE MADE TO BE WATERPROOF- AND I DON'T JUST MEAN WATER RESISTANT- BUT WATERPROOF- Then the battery compartments of ELECTRIC CARS CAN BE ENGINEERED TO BE WATERPROOF - AND EVEN FIREPROOF AS WELL.

I mean we put man on the moon people! AND A FEW BRAVE SOULS DIED IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING US TO THAT POINT! AND IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE TO KEEP THE MOON EXPLORERS SAFE ON THEIR QUEST TO LAND ON THE MOON. YES, 3 astronauts burned to death in a fire in the spacecraft capsule on the launching pad!

BUT, we plodded onward and didn't abandon the concept of taking man to the moon!

So, OK, some FLORIDIAN STATE OFFICIAL made a public comment that there have been several of these incidents regarding electric cars water damaged buy the hurricane.

Let me just say this about that..........

I don't give a FUCK about what some REPUBLICAN FLORIDIAN OFFICIAL SAYS ANYMORE AS I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON! HE HAS MUCH MORE SERIOUS ISSUES TO DEAL WITH OTHER THAN TRYING TO EXPLOIT THIS RARE PROBLEM.

And one of those motives is to make it look like Electric Cars are a problem for political reasons- THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT BIG OIL OF COURSE AND PAID TO DO SO BY THEIR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS THAT GOT THEM THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I do believe there may have been more than one incident of this in Florida after the hurricane- BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS MORE THAN 2 or 3 incidents, and this REPUBLICAN FLORIDIAN OFFICIAL IS TRYING TO MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL ABOUT THIS, OF COURSE, AND MILK IT FOR ALL IT IS WORTH FOR POLITICAL GAIN!

SO INSTEAD OF THROWING OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER, I LOOK FOR THE MANUFACTURERS TO EASILY RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITH JUST SOME SIMPLE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS TO KEEP THE BATTERIES DRY EVEN IF THEY SHOULD BECOME FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER.

I expect our federal government to oversee such a measure and insure the manufacturers are making safer automobiles regardless as to whether they are electric or gasoline fueled!

I just ignore these troglodytes that are trying to stand in the way of progress.

Here we are trying to prevent these huge dangerous HURRICANES that keep getting stronger and even more dangerous with every season, AND SOME ASSHOLE REPUBLICAN OFFICIAL is trying to score some political points.

NEXT PROBLEM PLEASE!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
We are not talking about boats here, we are talking about automobiles. Boats actually belong in the water. Not the batteries however. You could ruin a good boat if it sinks and is totally submerged in water.

Automobiles are not supposed to be submerged in water in the first place.

However, during a flood- AUTOMOBILES DO GET SUBMERGED IN WATER AND IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE AUTOMOBILES OR THEIR MANUFACTURERS AT FAULT.

Lithium batteries do pose a problem as we have seen, on rare incidences, Cell Phones catch on fire, laptops have been known to catch fire, and even children's toys with Lithium batteries can become dangerous under several conditions- being submerged in water, is only one of them.

BUT HERE AGAIN, THESE ARE RARE OCCURRENCES- AND NOT A WIDE BLOWN PROBLEM.

So I am not going to dance around the problem. As to my knowledge, I have not heard of any incident, where a Battery Fire from an ELECTRIC CAR has caused any human pain or suffering. BUT, there will always be a first time, and before that can happen, THE ELECTRIC CAR MANUFACTURERS should take every precaution and make sure that the engineering of the battery compartments should include keeping them totally waterproof. This may even require a RECALL!

BUT WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS SCRAP THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF MAKING ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILES JUST BECAUSE OF A PROBLEM THAT CAN BE EASILY RESOLVED WITH JUST SOME SIMPLE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS. Most ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE FLOODING OF CARS WITH LITHIUM BATTERIES.

If WATCHES CAN BE MADE TO BE WATERPROOF- AND I DON'T JUST MEAN WATER RESISTANT- BUT WATERPROOF- Then the battery compartments of ELECTRIC CARS CAN BE ENGINEERED TO BE WATERPROOF - AND EVEN FIREPROOF AS WELL.

I mean we put man on the moon people! AND A FEW BRAVE SOULS DIED IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING US TO THAT POINT! AND IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE TO KEEP THE MOON EXPLORERS SAFE ON THEIR QUEST TO LAND ON THE MOON. YES, 3 astronauts burned to death in a fire in the spacecraft capsule on the launching pad!

BUT, we plodded onward and didn't abandon the concept of taking man to the moon!

So, OK, some FLORIDIAN STATE OFFICIAL made a public comment that there have been several of these incidents regarding electric cars water damaged buy the hurricane.

Let me just say this about that..........

I don't give a FUCK about what some REPUBLICAN FLORIDIAN OFFICIAL SAYS ANYMORE AS I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES. FUCK HIM AND THE HORSE HE RODE IN ON! HE HAS MUCH MORE SERIOUS ISSUES TO DEAL WITH OTHER THAN TRYING TO EXPLOIT THIS RARE PROBLEM.

And one of those motives is to make it look like Electric Cars are a problem for political reasons- THEY ARE TRYING TO PROTECT BIG OIL OF COURSE AND PAID TO DO SO BY THEIR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS THAT GOT THEM THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I do believe there may have been more than one incident of this in Florida after the hurricane- BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS MORE THAN 2 or 3 incidents, and this REPUBLICAN FLORIDIAN OFFICIAL IS TRYING TO MAKE A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLEHILL ABOUT THIS, OF COURSE, AND MILK IT FOR ALL IT IS WORTH FOR POLITICAL GAIN!

SO INSTEAD OF THROWING OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATHWATER, I LOOK FOR THE MANUFACTURERS TO EASILY RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITH JUST SOME SIMPLE ENGINEERING IMPROVEMENTS TO KEEP THE BATTERIES DRY EVEN IF THEY SHOULD BECOME FULLY SUBMERGED IN WATER.

I expect our federal government to oversee such a measure and insure the manufacturers are making safer automobiles regardless as to whether they are electric or gasoline fueled!

I just ignore these troglodytes that are trying to stand in the way of progress.

Here we are trying to prevent these huge dangerous HURRICANES that keep getting stronger and even more dangerous with every season, AND SOME ASSHOLE REPUBLICAN OFFICIAL is trying to score some political points.

NEXT PROBLEM PLEASE!
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Hydrogen and ammonia are the future!
 
Primavera said:
Hydrogen and ammonia are the future!
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Some of the very first cars were electric. But then Henry Ford created the Model T.

650 bucks vs. 1650 bucks for electric, and well..... there went that! :laugh:

But yes, I believe we have just started to look at alternatives again. And I believe electric cars will change dramatically over the next few years. Battery technology alone will mushroom rather quickly now- not just for cars but for anything mechanical or electrical. Even Generator technology is on the rise.

Hopefully, they will never prevent us from driving our old classic V8 rods and Harleys for fun, but commuting to work from home will rely on newer technologies as gasoline will start becoming more and more expensive as we start running out of that BLACK GOLD in the ground! Only the Rich and the Military will be able to afford gasoline, at some point.

I probably won't live to be 105 to see it happen, but petroleum engineers around the world say, "At our current rate of demand, we will run the Earth dry of crude in just 35 years"!

If that is even partially true, that is a very sobering thought!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Some of the very first cars were electric. But then Henry Ford created the Model T.

650 bucks vs. 1650 bucks for electric, and well..... there went that! :laugh:

But yes, I believe we have just started to look at alternatives again. And I believe electric cars will change dramatically over the next few years. Battery technology alone will mushroom rather quickly now- not just for cars but for anything mechanical or electrical. Even Generator technology is on the rise.

Hopefully, they will never prevent us from driving our old classic V8 rods and Harleys for fun, but commuting to work from home will rely on newer technologies as gasoline will start becoming more and more expensive as we start running out of that BLACK GOLD in the ground! Only the Rich and the Military will be able to afford gasoline, at some point.

I probably won't live to be 105 to see it happen, but petroleum engineers around the world say, "At our current rate of demand, we will run the Earth dry of crude in just 35 years"!
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They have been saying that for a century and more!

https://gizmodo.com/weve-been-incorrectly-predicting-peak-oil-for-over-a-ce-1668986354
 
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There isn't a lot you can really do to improve electric motors, generators, or batteries. All are well-established engineering and science areas.
 
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