Enceladus, Saturn's ocean world

Quincunx said:
Remember when you called me an antisemite? Yeah, you deserve all the opprobrium I can heap on you you LYING FUCK.
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No I don't remember Perry, because it was Jank who claimed I said that about him.


But this is obviously your public confession that while you were posting as Perry PhD, you were simultaneously running the sock puppet Jank.

Holy smoke, talk about lying and deception, you've got it in spades.
 
Cypress said:
No I don't remember Perry, because it was Jank who claimed I said that about him.


But this is obviously your public confession that while you were posting as Perry PhD, you were simultaneously running the sock puppet Jank.

Holy smoke, talk about lying and deception, you've got it in spades.
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Jank was Perry's sock, which he rightfully abandoned.
 
Quincunx said:
Excellent excuse.



Instead you made a factually incorrect claim and then LIED about knowing the real answer.

You know how I know you lied about frantically Googling it? Because you went directly to the entropic effect. Fuck, you don't even know what that means. You overplayed your hand and tried to sound a lot more intellecshul than you really are.

99.99999% of people are taught about these colligative properties and especially this one by noting that the salt ions interfere with the formation of the ordered ice crystals. That means that 99.9999% of people will mention THAT as opposed to the entropic nature of it. You claim you didn't study chemistry yet you try to talk a big game in a way that virtually NO ONE would describe it unless they went out and hit up Wikipedia super fast or were a chemist by training.

That's where your lack of education shows. You ALWAYS only ever quote other people because you have no knowledge of your own which you have synthesized into something you could talk about.

So you googled. I know it. You know it. You didn't know the first foreign thing about this.

Now you are making a stupid blather about "pure" water (which you didn't say initially...another lie on your part). Indeed life teems in the ocean and you know this. So your initial claim about how Enceladus "couldn't be that cold" was probably going to be wrong from the outset no matter how you spun it. Unless you think all the water on Enceladus is deionized.

You are now jumping through hoops to save your fragile ego. You were wrong, but you aren't even man enough to accept that. That's because you are a poseur. You want everyone to think you are the smartest guy in the room. Which is why you can't discuss even religion without whining when someone so much as questions an assumption.

You are laughable. And I've seen how your game works now.

Ya know, I don't even mind you had to google it. That's cool. Except YOU are a hypocrite who excoriates others for doing EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID. That makes you a pitiful fuck up.
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Have you been diagnosed with multiple personality syndrome?

Because when you were posting as Perry you claimed to have a geochem PhD, but when you were posting as your sock puppet Jank, you claimed to not have a science degree only an amateur layperson interest in science.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...us-Saturn-s-ocean-world&p=5645813#post5645813


I've been registered here since 2006 and I'm sure there have been dozens of times MAGAs, Teabaggers, and Haters have copied and pasted parts of my posts into Google to see whether I am plagiarizing, but the attempts were always to no avail.

I write in my own words, relying on knowledge I have worked hard to acquire, and always post links if using internet sources.

On the other hand, when posting as Perry PhD you openly confessed to Dutch Uncle you were consulting google before composing posts, with the excuse that you must have learned the science in college and were just refreshing your memory.

:magagrin:
 
Doc Dutch said:
The distances and time involved are, literally, astronomical.

That doesn't explain the complete lack of evidence of other civilizations through radio astronomy. Zero. Zip. Nada.

The lack of evidence indicates life must be very rare....although I'm also interested in the theory that all intelligent life tends to destroy itself. We're on that path too. Life would continue, but at a lowered technological pace.
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If intelligent life capable of advanced technology were ubiquitous in the galaxy, and faster than light speed travel by matter were possible, I would think there would be something in five thousand years of human written history which credibly indicated the visit of interstellar travelers from other planets.

It's hard to say whether advanced technology leads to the collapse of civilizations because we only have the human experience to go by.

But I agree with you on balance that life in the galaxy is probably rare, and sentient advanced life exceedingly rare, if it exists outside Earth at all
 
Cypress said:
If intelligent life capable of advanced technology were ubiquitous in the galaxy, and faster than light speed travel by matter were possible, I would think there would be something in five thousand years of human written history which credibly indicated the visit of interstellar travelers from other planets.

It's hard to say whether advanced technology leads to the collapse of civilizations because we only have the human experience to go by.

But I agree with you on balance that life in the galaxy is probably rare, and sentient advanced life exceedingly rare, if it exists outside Earth at all
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There are ancient instances of visitors such as "gods", angels, Ezekiel's spaceship, etc. Given the distances involved, I'd be as likely to believe the visitors were from a different dimension or time as from another planet in our galaxy. The evidence for all is equally absent.

Ezekiel 1:4-28
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11 Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12 Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13 The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14 The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15 As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16 This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. 18 Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

19 When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20 Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. 23 Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24 When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty,[a] like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

25 Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.
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Doc Dutch said:
There are ancient instances of visitors such as "gods", angels, Ezekiel's spaceship, etc. Given the distances involved, I'd be as likely to believe the visitors were from a different dimension or time as from another planet in our galaxy. The evidence for all is equally absent.

Ezekiel 1:4-28
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Hard to tell with those writings attributed to the Jewish prophets if they were describing a Transcendent vision they had in their mind, were speaking in metaphor, or if the later Israelites who compiled and edited the stories embellished it for dramatic effect.
 
Cypress said:
Hard to tell with those writings attributed to the Jewish prophets if they were describing a Transcendent vision they had in their mind, were speaking in metaphor, or if the later Israelites who compiled and edited the stories embellished it for dramatic effect.
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True. Still, beings inside a "glowing metal" ship instead of angels with wings is an interesting aspect.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Your jealousy is a symptom of low self-esteem, Perry. Either man-up or consider a therapy class for spineless weakling males.
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You're funny. Projection much?

I get it, you and your fake poseur buddy Cypress cannot handle the fact that not everyone is as big an academic loser as you guys are.

I bet you still have your Associates Degree certificate proudly displayed in your pitiful trailer. LOL.
 
Quincunx said:
You're funny.

Projection much?

I get it, you and your fake poseur buddy Cypress cannot handle the fact that not everyone is as big an academic loser as you guys are.

I bet you still have your Associates Degree certificate proudly displayed in your pitiful trailer. LOL.
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Thanks. I like humor.

Not projection, just an observation, Perry, but I'm content to let others decide for themselves if you are a juvenile poseur or really a highly educated doctor of GeoChem.

Results count, son, and you display little education, maturity and sanity. :)

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