EV drivers struggle to find charging stations

T. A. Gardner said:
Everybody, worldwide, says EV's suck when it comes to longer distance driving. They might work for some urbanite who drives limited distances, but they are absolutely fucked when it comes to driving any longer distance.
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Especially when that long distance driving is not using the freeways much...which is pretty common in the desert.
 
guno said:
How did people get gas before gas stations?
Before there were filling stations, consumers bought gasoline out of a barrel at the grocery or hardware store. But the new market for gas and consumer desire to buy gas more easily soon led to a landscape dotted with gas stations—more than 200,000 by 1935.
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None of it mandated by the government.
 
LurchAddams said:
It's the market that dictates what consumers demand, not the government. If you don't want an EV, don't buy one. Tesla is dropping their MSRP on their products now and competitors are following suit. Now's a great time to buy an EV and I can give you top dollar on your trade if you'd like to trade in your gas-guzzler right now. Not only will you save money on gas you can take advantage of our rebates and government tax credits. <wink>.

Hope your health is improving, my friend. Take care.
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Biden is attacking domestic oil production to increase the price of gas so people will buy EV. It is a socialist agenda that will cause the grid to fail and will cause a food shortage
 
ptif219 said:
Biden is attacking domestic oil production to increase the price of gas so people will buy EV. It is a socialist agenda that will cause the grid to fail and will cause a food shortage
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Wow. That's just not true. Why is it that some Republicans trust Vladimir Putin more than Joe and continue to trash America?
 
LurchAddams said:
The government cannot dictate what consumers buy. If you want a Hummer in CA, buy a Hummer. According to your post, you can enjoy one for at least 10 years. And even after that - if consumers decide they want to keep buying Hummers they can vote to change the law.
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Yes they are dictating what people buy, via two methods that have already been explained to you.


[1] Laws which outright ban the sale of ICE vehicles. (direct method)

[2] Laws (regulations) which make ICE vehicles much more expensive to own/maintain, and subsidies which make EVs less expensive to own/maintain, purposely manipulating the market in a manner which effectively prices ICE vehicles out of the market and EVs into the market. (indirect method)
 
LurchAddams said:
We're talking in circles.
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... and do you know WHY your exchanges with T. A. Gardner are going in circles? If not, then let me help you:

[1] LurchAddams presents argument A (which is incorrect).

[2] T. A. Gardner presents counterargument B (which is correct).

[3] LurchAddams, instead of presenting counterargument C, simply repeats argument A all over again.

[4] T. A. Gardner repeats [2]

[5] LurchAddams repeats [3]

[6] T. A. Gardner repeats [2]

[7] LurchAddams repeats [3]

etc etc etc, ad nausem.


Does this make sense to you?? Of course it doesn't......
 
gfm7175 said:
... and do you know WHY your exchanges with T. A. Gardner are going in circles? If not, then let me help you:

[1] LurchAddams presents argument A (which is incorrect).

[2] T. A. Gardner presents counterargument B (which is correct).

[3] LurchAddams, instead of presenting counterargument C, simply repeats argument A all over again.

[4] T. A. Gardner repeats [2]

[5] LurchAddams repeats [3]

[6] T. A. Gardner repeats [2]

[7] LurchAddams repeats [3]

etc etc etc, ad nausem.


Does this make sense to you?? Of course it doesn't......
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I have a right to my opinion. And I don't agree I'm wrong.
 
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Nordberg said:
Yeah out in the desert ICEs can run out of gas. I have seen many people carrying case cans back to their cars. They do it is the city too.
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You are making shit up again. You said you stay in the city. Which is it, dude? You are still locked in this paradox too.

Try carrying a can of 'charge' back to your EV.
 
Nordberg said:
We heavily subsidize oil companies. Why aren't ICE lovers mentioning that? We have done it for a century. https://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/
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Actually, the US doesn't. Most of what the US government "subsidizes" is R&D for things energy companies otherwise wouldn't research, like military use fuels and such. The other big "subsidy" is paying oil and gas companies to clean up old wells and oil fields that pre-date environmental laws because they have the expertise to do this unlike the government. If the government didn't pay to do this, these fields, often abandoned and without any company or whatever to take responsibility for, wouldn't get cleaned up. So, the government pays for that to happen. The same thing goes for old mines.
 
Into the Night said:
You are making shit up again. You said you stay in the city. Which is it, dude? You are still locked in this paradox too.

Try carrying a can of 'charge' back to your EV.
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Damn are you nuts. The desert scenario is yours. I replied that ICE people run out of gas there. I did not say I personally and only I ran out of gas in the desert. However, I have seen lots of ICE people walking to their cars with gas cans. Can you guess why they did that? I actually live in the suburbs.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, the US doesn't. Most of what the US government "subsidizes" is R&D for things energy companies otherwise wouldn't research, like military use fuels and such. The other big "subsidy" is paying oil and gas companies to clean up old wells and oil fields that pre-date environmental laws because they have the expertise to do this unlike the government. If the government didn't pay to do this, these fields, often abandoned and without any company or whatever to take responsibility for, wouldn't get cleaned up. So, the government pays for that to happen. The same thing goes for old mines.
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Actually, it does. To the tune of trillions. https://www.brookings.edu/research/...states-can-restart-international-cooperation/
 
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