EV's now more expensive in time and money to refuel than ICE vehicles

[Nordberg]

EV's are heavier because they have large, very heavy batteries in them. If an ICE car was larger and heavier, that was by choice not required by design.

For example, the original Tesla Roadster versus the Lotus Eliese--same exact car except for the drive train has the Lotus weighing in at 1600 lbs. while the Tesla weighs 2800 lbs. (in round numbers). That's a 1200 lbs. increase due entirely to the battery.

It does not matter why. ICEs in many cases are heavier. Have you checked their mileage? Many ICEs were specifically designed to be huge to make trips with heavy loads more comfortable.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It does not matter why. ICEs in many cases are heavier. Have you checked their mileage? Many ICEs were specifically designed to be huge to make trips with heavy loads more comfortable.

Doesn't address that greater weight requires more power to accelerate to and maintain a specific speed. That's basic physics.

 

[Nordberg]

Doesn't address that greater weight requires more power to accelerate to and maintain a specific speed. That's basic physics.

Since many ICEs weigh more than EVs, you are just ululating. That's basic logic.

 

[Into the Night]

I read 70 percent of EVs charging at home use 120. 80 percent of EV owners never use public chargers. 240 is much faster and changing over garages is becoming an industry. DTE provides a list of approved vendors and provides a discount.

And if you have no garage??

 

[Into the Night]

EVs do take longer to fuel. That is no secret. The rest is bullshit.

You seem to ignore that little fact. No, the rest is not bullshit.

 

[Into the Night]

EV's also use more power per mile than ICE vehicles because of their much higher weight, often a ton or more over the ICE equivalent.

Also because of losses that occur during the generation of power at a remote location, and transmission line losses, and charger losses, and waste heat from the batteries themselves both when charging and discharging. When you add it all up, an EV requires about twice the power of an equivalent sized gasoline powered car to move the same distance.

 

[AProudLefty]

Also because of losses that occur during the generation of power at a remote location, and transmission line losses, and charger losses, and waste heat from the batteries themselves both when charging and discharging. When you add it all up, an EV requires about twice the power of an equivalent sized gasoline powered car.

Will you buy an EV?

 

[Into the Night]

There are some damn heavy cars that meant nothing to you before EVs came along. https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...-massive-cars-people-actually-drive/40298119/

There still are. They can carry a far greater payload than an equivalent EV ever could. The equivalent EV is much heavier still.

 

[AProudLefty]

There still are. They can carry a far greater payload than an equivalent EV ever could. The equivalent EV is much heavier still.

Will you buy an EV?

 

[Into the Night]

It does not matter why. ICEs in many cases are heavier.

Nope. EVs are much heavier than equivalent sized ICE cars.

Have you checked their mileage?

Certainly.

Many ICEs were specifically designed to be huge to make trips with heavy loads more comfortable.

No. To make it possible to carry a heavy load. Something an EV has great difficulty doing.

 

[Into the Night]

Since many ICEs weigh more than EVs, you are just ululating. That's basic logic.

Lie. EVs weigh a lot more than an equivalent sized ICE car.

 

[AProudLefty]

Nope. EVs are much heavier than equivalent sized ICE cars.

Certainly.

No. To make it possible to carry a heavy load. Something an EV has great difficulty doing.

Will you buy an EV?

 

[Nordberg]

You seem to ignore that little fact. No, the rest is not bullshit.

Batteries are improving fast and every wrong claim you make is becoming wronger. They do not use lithium. They are down to 5 min charges. You are so behind.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Will you buy an EV?

I won't because I go places where an EV pretty much can't go...

Crown King AZ, a gazillion miles up a mountainous dirt road

The Nellie E Saloon, aka Desert Bar, up a gazillion miles of treacherous dirt road...

Madera Canyon cabins up... wait for it... a gazillion miles of dirt road...

https://www.dreamcatcherbnb.com/

In the middle of no-fucking-where. I take a 5 gallon gas can with me to that one, just in case...

That one you take a pistol and the nearest gas station is like 50 miles away...

Good luck charging your EV there...

Going to all the fun and interesting places off the beaten path is something you don't and can't do in an EV.

 

[Into the Night]

Batteries are improving fast and every wrong claim you make is becoming wronger. They do not use lithium. They are down to 5 min charges. You are so behind.

Lithium-ion batteries use lithium, dumbass. It provides 3861 Ah/kg.
You cannot charge a lithium ion battery pack in an EV from dead to full charge in 5 minutes, dumbass.

 

[AProudLefty]

I won't because I go places where an EV pretty much can't go...

Crown King AZ, a gazillion miles up a mountainous dirt road

The Nellie E Saloon, aka Desert Bar, up a gazillion miles of treacherous dirt road...

Madera Canyon cabins up... wait for it... a gazillion miles of dirt road...

https://www.dreamcatcherbnb.com/

In the middle of no-fucking-where. I take a 5 gallon gas can with me to that one, just in case...

That one you take a pistol and the nearest gas station is like 50 miles away...

Good luck charging your EV there...

Going to all the fun and interesting places off the beaten path is something you don't and can't do in an EV.

Two words: Solar panel.

 

[Into the Night]

I won't because I go places where an EV pretty much can't go...

Crown King AZ, a gazillion miles up a mountainous dirt road

The Nellie E Saloon, aka Desert Bar, up a gazillion miles of treacherous dirt road...

Madera Canyon cabins up... wait for it... a gazillion miles of dirt road...

https://www.dreamcatcherbnb.com/

In the middle of no-fucking-where. I take a 5 gallon gas can with me to that one, just in case...

That one you take a pistol and the nearest gas station is like 50 miles away...

Good luck charging your EV there...

Going to all the fun and interesting places off the beaten path is something you don't and can't do in an EV.

That's the truth!

 

[Into the Night]

Two words: Solar panel.

Not enough. It will take days to charge an EV using solar panels.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not enough. It will take days to charge an EV using solar panels.

Will you buy an EV?

 

[RB 60]