Exactly how can you say people are Liberals, just like that?

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There are no races other than the human, child. Racists are idiots, like people who believe the world is flat.

Q.E.D.

 

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Aren't you silly! Yes, I've quite enough money, child. Hoping to bribe me, are we?

Then why are you complaining that you don't have enough money??? You are locked in paradox now.

 

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I'm a normal socialist who supports Plaid Cymru. child, while you are a very ignorant teenage racist Nazi.

There are no Nazi's today, dude. WW2 is over. Germany lost. Perhaps you haven't heard about it yet.

The NAZI party were socialists. Fascism is socialism. I do not support socialism. It can only exist by stealing wealth.

 

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Child, one only has to read a sentence of yours to know what brainwashing is, you poor robot. The rest of your scribble is just drunken, I'm afraid.

Ah. So you have clue what 'brainwashing' is.You are just using it as buzzword to insult people.

 

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Yup, so they come up with other labels that "sound better", but it's still the same old Marxism no matter what "nicer sounding" label one attempts to put on it...

Some just join the Church of Karl Marx because their friends did. Others see some club in a school and join through that, even though they often have no idea what they are joining. From there, they just grab a few sound bites and chant them like any fundamentalist to support a religion they deny they belong to.
That's what we have here with lolo.

 

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Modern liberals have given liberalism a bad name as well as having hijacked the name from true liberals (like myself).
It is a total misnomer.

Again, this wrong teaching. The founders were conservatives, dude. They were fighting liberals from Britain that were trying to claim the land for King George and tax the colonists into subservience. Liberals are called liberals because they desire to liberally apply laws and policies to achieve their ends.

The concept of a republic (constitutional government) is a conservative idea. That IS limited government. That is NOT liberally applying laws and policies. It is REJECTING that very idea.

This lie was perpetuated by liberals during the days of FDR. It is attempt to whitewash liberals from what they are.

 

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I don't support universal ownership.

You support fascism. That is Marxism just the same.

 

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Obviously - American farting. Socialism is aimed at getting rid of capitalist government altogether, and who else needs armed thugs to guard their spoils?

There is no such thing as a 'capitalist government'. There ARE forms of government compatible with capitalism, such as republics.

Since you consider the police 'armed thugs', that pretty well shows where you sit. You're nothing more than a useful idiot for the Church of Karl Marx.

 

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What are you crapping about now? Is there a working class in Venezuela, and when did they get power? What you have in Venezuela is a typical attempt to break free of your colonialism being sabotaged in the standard way by your fuhrer, as you know.

No, what you have in Venezuela is yer another example of socialism failing.

 

[StoneByStone]

You support fascism. That is Marxism just the same.

When did I say I support Fascism?

 

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Socialism is control by the vast working majority. Why should they need a bullyboy organisation and a lying-machine: those are capitalist institutions, as you know.

WRONG. It is theft. It is taking the factories and businesses away from the owners that created them and giving them to the 'workers' by force (after taking a nice slice off the top first, of course!).

 

[Into the Night]

He is a shitbag.

Lefty, liberal, commie, democrat, socialist, communist, and many other political descriptions all mean the same thing in today's political landscape. Those terms once had unique meanings, but now they all describe the same shit bags who hate America. I can often spot lefties without hearing them talk, but all it takes is hearing a few sentenses to identify them.

They still have discrete meanings that have not changed. However, many in today's politics are left liberal communists or fascists (both are socialists) and most of them are Democrats.

 

[Into the Night]

When did I say I support Fascism?

The nature of your arguments, when actually present any.

 

[StoneByStone]

The nature of your arguments, when actually present any.

Which argument was Fascist?

 

[anonymoose]

Again, this wrong teaching. The founders were conservatives, dude.

There were no 'liberals' or 'conservatives' back then. Even classical liberalism hadn't been conceived.

They were fighting liberals from Britain that were trying to claim the land for King George and tax the colonists into subservience.

No, they were not liberals ,just authoritarian monarchists trying to take advantage of their colonists.

Liberals are called liberals because they desire to liberally apply laws and policies to achieve their ends.

I don't disagree with that, but that's modern liberalism. Although I'd describe modern liberals as those affected by TDS and incapable of any rational thought whatsoever.

The concept of a republic (constitutional government) is a conservative idea. That IS limited government. That is NOT liberally applying laws and policies. It is REJECTING that very idea.

This lie was perpetuated by liberals during the days of FDR. It is attempt to whitewash liberals from what they are.

Classical liberalism

Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government.

The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.

It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic policy.

Classical liberalism is built on ideas that had already arisen by the end of the 18th century, such as selected ideas of Adam Smith, John Locke, Jean-Baptiste Say, Thomas Malthus, and David Ricardo.

It drew on a psychological understanding of individual liberty, the contradictory theories of natural law and utilitarianism, and a belief in progress.

Both modern American conservatism and social liberalism split from Classical Liberalism in the early 20th century.

At that time conservatives adopted the Classic Liberal beliefs in protecting economic civil liberties.

Conversely social liberals adopted the Classical Liberal belief in defending social civil liberties.

Neither ideology adopted the pure Classical Liberal belief that government exists to protect both social & economic civil liberties.

Conservatism shares an ideological agreement on limited government in the area of preventing government restriction against economic civil liberties as embodied in the ability of people to sell their goods, services or labor to anyone they choose free from restriction except in rare cases where society's general welfare is at stake.

One example of classic liberalism's beliefs regarding the role of government is found in Thomas Hobbes's theory that government was created by individuals to protect themselves from one another.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/classical_liberalism.htm

I'm a classical liberal.

 

[gfm7175]

When did I say I support Fascism?

I'm not going to look through a plethora of past posts to see whether you've admitted it outright or not.

However, you don't have to outright say "I support Fascism" in order to be a supporter of Fascism. Fascism is a particular form of socialism. Fascism involves government control over business owners (ie, telling them what they can make, when they can make it, how they have to make it, how much they can sell it for, who they can sell it to, etc. etc.)...

 

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Which argument was Fascist?

Going to deny all of these too, eh? Just like you deny the insults you make.

You're a liar, dude.

 

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There were no 'liberals' or 'conservatives' back then.

Sure there were. There were liberals and conservatives for as long as we've had politics.

Even classical liberalism hadn't been conceived.

That term wasn't conceived until the days of FDR. It was a phrase created at that time and used to try to whitewash what liberals are...to make them look like the founders.

No, they were not liberals ,just authoritarian monarchists trying to take advantage of their colonists.

That's what liberals do. They liberally applies laws and policies. That's how they were taking advantage of the colonists.

I don't disagree with that, but that's modern liberalism.
Although I'd describe modern liberals as those affected by TDS and incapable of any rational thought whatsoever.

Liberalism isn't about rational thought. They can't justify their policies openly. They must work in the dark to implement them. They must deceive. They must steal. They must divide and conquer.

I'm a classical liberal.

No, what you are is a libertarian. That is not a liberal, 'classic' or 'modern'. There is no 'classic' or 'modern' liberal. A liberal is a liberal is a liberal. They have been the same for thousands of years.
You believe in a republican form of government (has nothing to do with the Republican Party). That is a government by rule of law, not of men. Republics have constitutions. The United States is organized as federated republic. It is a constitutional government that is layered.

This is what a libertarian supports. The concept of liberty, protected by a constitution or constitutions.

 

[JPF]

He is a shitbag.

Lefty, liberal, commie, democrat, socialist, communist, and many other political descriptions all mean the same thing in today's political landscape. Those terms once had unique meanings, but now they all describe the same shit bags who hate America. I can often spot lefties without hearing them talk, but all it takes is hearing a few sentenses to identify them.

Ahh….

You can take a 3rd grader off of the playground but you can’t take a 3rd grader’s mindset out of a conservative.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm not going to look through a plethora of past posts to see whether you've admitted it outright or not.

However, you don't have to outright say "I support Fascism" in order to be a supporter of Fascism. Fascism is a particular form of socialism. Fascism involves government control over business owners (ie, telling them what they can make, when they can make it, how they have to make it, how much they can sell it for, who they can sell it to, etc. etc.)...

Quite right. It is part of the road to communism. Sort of a pre-communism.
Hitler tried to paint fascism as somehow different from communism in order to get elected Chancellor. We all know what happened after that, of course. Germany fell from a republic to a dictatorship. It's constitution was destroyed. The fascists were in control. They despised the communists, despite the fact that Marx had argued that fascism is but a step to communism.

There were believers in the Church of Karl Marx everywhere. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, and FDR. FDR did nothing against Germany or Japan until he was forced to in order to protect the United States since they both declared war on us.