FACTS TO CONSIDER WHEN ASSESSING TRUMP!

[Nordberg]

Yeah....right from the TAX PAYER coffers. Reality....the truth defeats propaganda. There was a supposed deal made,......a promise of 400 million to release of 5 US prisoners. The kicker....BHO said the tax payers had to kick in 1.3 BILLION as "interest" for paying the Mullah's to release American Citizens. The false premise.....THE PEOPLE owed this money to the IRANIAN TERRORIST STATE This was money to keep the terrorists on the payroll. The sanctions are working.....All the BLACK OP terrorist groups created by the US Clowns in America (CIA) are going belly up. Why? Trump is hitting them where it hurts......their black op money belt. No more private oil field in Syria and Iraq......no more drug money from the Afghan area. Thus this latest attempt to start something....but their KING TERRORIST ended up with 'his' head on a platter. That electronic spying....err.....surveillance actually works when applied to the correct people.

www.freebeacon.com/national-security/obama-admin-paid-iran-1-7-billion-taxpayer-funds/

Sanctions dont do anything unless you like starving the citizens. The leaders still live like kings and can ignore it.

 

[Saudade]

There is no way Trump is the lesser of ANY two evils. He is one of the most disgusting humans ever to run for office during my lifetime. But if you, or anyone wants to be delusiional and choose him as "the lesser of two evils"...do it. I'll just laugh at it.

In any case, throughout my time in the forum I have said on dozens of occasions that I am not talking about people who voted for him...but rather about people who "continue to support" him.

Trump is a shit-stain on our nation...and anyone still supporting him should renounce their citizenship.

You're free to believe that. TDS won't remove him from office however.

 

[Flash]

Beats me.

Is that what you glean from the facts?

If you assume people vote for a party because it benefits them economically is one explanation although outdated.

The facts as you posted them are pretty basic and do not reveal who actually voted for Trump and Clinton within those states. For example, those with the lowest level of education (blacks and Hispanics) are the most likely to vote Democratic and do so whether they live in high income or low income states.

Some would interpret your facts as suggesting Trump voters are lower income and education while Clinton voters are higher income and more educated. That is not only factually wrong but a snobbish, elitist view that looks down on others--an attitude which helped elect Donald Trump.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Trump won't be the greater of two evils unless demmycrats run fluffy bunnies for president.......

 

[Flash]

Off Topic,it's why would anyone vote for an atheist,common criminal,who ls a world class liar,bought and sold by Putin

Lack of a decent alternative? It is more about sticking up for your team regardless of their shortcomings. We support our group because the other side is made up of bad people. Politics is less about loyalty than loathing (negative partisanship) [Thomas Edsall].

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/...wsv9&utm_campaign=item_268982&utm_medium=copy

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/268982/impact-increased-political-polarization.aspx

 

[Nordberg]

Trump started the whole thing back when he ended the nuke agreement. I suppose you could think that was the plan all along. Get out of that. Quit talking to them and then attack. Kill one of their most important people. We all know iran has to respond to save face. (yes nations work on that childish level).Now Trump says if they dare respond, he will bomb 52 places inside Iran. Is there anyone who thinks that is not a clear declaration of war?
From Iran's viewpoint. Their highly esteemed and positioned leader was deliberately killed by Trump who was 3000 miles away. Can they just ignore it? Not and save face. So they have to do something. Trump will hit them inside. He has to because he shot his mouth off. (yes he works on the immature level). So we are going to war and it is Trump's fault.
What peaceful options remain? Trump killed them all.

 

[Mason Melchizedek]

Lack of a decent alternative? It is more about sticking up for your team regardless of their shortcomings. We support our group because the other side is made up of bad people. Politics is less about loyalty than loathing (negative partisanship) [Thomas Edsall].

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/...wsv9&utm_campaign=item_268982&utm_medium=copy

https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/268982/impact-increased-political-polarization.aspx

I disagree,but an honest well thought out reply!

 

[Ralph]

Sanctions dont do anything unless you like starving the citizens. The leaders still live like kings and can ignore it.

Yeah....sanctions don't do anything. That's why Iran is not starting riots in Iraq, attacking the Saudi oil refineries, shooting down drones, and killing their own people in the streets because the Mullah's don't want a revolution on their hands. Sanctions don't work. The reality of documented evidence....unlike your non fact backed ad hominem OPINION demonstrates the TRUTH. YOUR OPINION was starkly different when BHO placed sanctions on the table and claimed that is what got them to the negotiating table in order for him to bribe them with almost 2 billion US TAXPAYER funds while guaranteeing them a 10 year window to ignore UN spot inspections.

Didn't Trump just say.....He did not want regime change? He just made it easier for IRAN to come to the table when they realized the PEOPLE would be the one's to take down their regime?


www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/201...ons-are-working-itll-take-more-topple-regime/ Yeah....sanctions don't work according to the conservative rag the Washington (com) Post. www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-prote...port-protests-decry-murder-of-1000-protesters Hell.....your own left wing congress does not agree with your BS opinion. Strange that a left wing congress want's WAR with IRAN......1st they use the murder of IRANIAN citizens by a target just taken out by Trump....as an excuse to go to war....now they are using the taking out of that murderer as an excuse....TRUMP is starting a war with IRAN.

Which is it? Sanctions work...then they don't work, the beating of war drums by the democrats who declare that the murder of Iranian citizens is a worthy cause.....then the 180....now they don't want war when Trump takes out the murderer? On one left hand he's a pussy coward....on the other face...err, left hand he's a war mongering idiot. PRICELESS what documentation shows in relation to propaganda....no?

 

[Nordberg]

Yeah....sanctions don't do anything. That's why Iran is not starting riots in Iraq, attacking the Saudi oil refineries, shooting down drones, and killing their own people in the streets because the Mullah's don't want a revolution on their hands. Sanctions don't work. The reality of documented evidence....unlike your non fact backed ad hominem OPINION demonstrates the TRUTH. YOUR OPINION was starkly different when BHO placed sanctions on the table and claimed that is what got them to the negotiating table in order for him to bribe them with almost 2 billion US TAXPAYER funds while guaranteeing them a 10 year window to ignore UN spot inspections.

Didn't Trump just say.....He did not want regime change? He just made it easier for IRAN to come to the table when they realized the PEOPLE would be the one's to take down their regime?


www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/201...ons-are-working-itll-take-more-topple-regime/ Yeah....sanctions don't work according to the conservative rag the Washington (com) Post. www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-prote...port-protests-decry-murder-of-1000-protesters Hell.....your own left wing congress does not agree with your BS opinion. Strange that a left wing congress want's WAR with IRAN......1st they use the murder of IRANIAN citizens by a target just taken out by Trump....as an excuse to go to war....now they are using the taking out of that murderer as an excuse....TRUMP is starting a war with IRAN.

Which is it? Sanctions work...then they don't work, the beating of war drums by the democrats who declare that the murder of Iranian citizens is a worthy cause.....then the 180....now they don't want war when Trump takes out the murderer? On one left hand he's a pussy coward....on the other face...err, left hand he's a war mongering idiot. PRICELESS what documentation shows in relation to propaganda....no?

Iran is starting riots in iraq? can the Iraqis think for themselves? Truth is Bush took out the Sunnis and the Shia are in power. Iran is Shia. Trump and Bush put them together, but Iran does not run Iraq.

 

[Daddyo]

That's for sure,tell her to douche and wipe her ass,before blowing the mailman.

You tell her you had your nasty face buried in it. Dining at the rotten y your specialty.

 

[Saudade]

Sanctions dont do anything unless you like starving the citizens. The leaders still live like kings and can ignore it.

I hear this position a lot, but it always seems to be very selectively applied. Would you say that the sanctions against South Africa during apartheid were like that?

 

[Daddyo]

By all measures...he is the most disgusting and most ignorant man ever to hold the office...

...but don't let that stop you from grovelling.

The idiot has got this country popping. If it takes an ignorant disgusting man to run this country in the right direction.....I'm all in.

The last two "clean cut" "geniuses" couldn't run it right.

Best president in my lifetime! By far.

 

[Daddyo]

I'd suggest Valium.

Every day for a while...but you may be able to cut down after a few months.

While on it...do NOT drive, sign contracts, or operate heavy machinery. Oh, and don't decide to change your hair-style.

Look what drugs has done to you brain dead retards. No thanks for us normal folk.

 

[Daddyo]

Trump is a terrorist in a suit. He thinks like them and acts like them. Trump is the LCD of politics in a party that likes that.
I saw a Repub say "now Trump should talk to Iran'.Really, how? When Trump ended the Iran nuke deal he erased the diplomatic alleys. Now we talk with threats and bombs. That suits the blusterer in office.

You are one of the most ignorant people alive. When they were killing 600 of our soldiers they voided the nuke deal. Incredible how hate filled and stupid you are.

 

[Daddyo]

The people going off to prison...are Trump's cronies, underlings, and members of his inner-circle. He is a kind of Midas...except his touch does not turn things to gold...it turns them to shit.

You need help.

If you think that is an ad hominem...so be it.

Name some issues trump has handled or is handling as we speak that have gotten worst?

 

[Daddyo]

Obama gave them back the money the US confiscated. Can you not understand that? it was their money that they gave us for military equipment we did not deliver. Rightys are such stubborn idiots who cannot learn.
Iran submitted to inspection. The other pact signers say Iran continued to honor the agreement long after dummy Trump withdrew. They were likely hoping he would come to his senses.
Trump gave Iran a green light to go back to nuke bomb development and his pugnacious nature made them hurry. If Trump is droning your leaders and threatening to bomb 52 sites in your country, what would you do? You would get ready for the war that Trump is planning.
This entire episode is a disaster.

If you had more than a quarter brain you would understand that our attack ONLY happens IF they retaliate. They control whether 52 targets get hit moron.

 

[Daddyo]

Trump started the whole thing back when he ended the nuke agreement. I suppose you could think that was the plan all along. Get out of that. Quit talking to them and then attack. Kill one of their most important people. We all know iran has to respond to save face. (yes nations work on that childish level).Now Trump says if they dare respond, he will bomb 52 places inside Iran. Is there anyone who thinks that is not a clear declaration of war?
From Iran's viewpoint. Their highly esteemed and positioned leader was deliberately killed by Trump who was 3000 miles away. Can they just ignore it? Not and save face. So they have to do something. Trump will hit them inside. He has to because he shot his mouth off. (yes he works on the immature level). So we are going to war and it is Trump's fault.
What peaceful options remain? Trump killed them all.

They were using the money to sponsor terror einstein. On pace to have a nuke soon anyway and killing americans.

 

[Daddyo]

Iran is starting riots in iraq? can the Iraqis think for themselves? Truth is Bush took out the Sunnis and the Shia are in power. Iran is Shia. Trump and Bush put them together, but Iran does not run Iraq.

Yes iran is starting riots in iraq. They are being played like you libtard morons here in our country. It's called deception and propaganda.

 

[RB 60]

So you're anti-Native American!

I don't like Pocahontas.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Frank,

C'mon.

The thrust of my comments are...

...the 12 states with the most educated people are almost all Blue States...and the 12 states with the least educated people are almost all Red States.

And...the 12 states with people who have the highest incomes are almost all Blue States...and the 12 with the lowest incomes are almost all Red States.

You have not presented one "fact" that shows that not to be so.

As for my "conclusions"...well, mostly my "conclusions" are that those facts either ought to be important to considerations assessing Trump...or ought not to be important to considerations assessing Trump...the abomination elected in the last election.

You have not presented one "fact" that shows anything about those "conclusions."

One thing is indicated by the facts here.

When Republicans are in charge of a State, education and wealth don't compare well with the rest of the States. When Democrats are in charge, those factors are higher than the rest of the States.

That's pretty strong support for the old saying that when poor uneducated people vote for Republicans, they are voting against their own better interests. They are actually voting against the types of government policy which would help them, and voting for the types of government policy which helps the rich.