FACTS TO CONSIDER WHEN ASSESSING TRUMP!

Flash said:
I don't think it upsets a lot of Trump supporters since many of the working class think the college educated have no common sense resent them for looking down on the working class. They would prefer to be making $80,000 at a plant than $50,000 as a teacher. They don't identify with the educated class. They are as snobbish against college educated as the college educated are snobbish against them.

I think you are incorrect in your description of Trump voters. The polls showed Trump got a large share of his votes from whites without a college degree--not "uneducated" unless you consider 2/3 of American as uneducated because they lack a degree.

If you simply divide the population into college degree and non-college degree, Clinton won the votes. However, if you break it down into more levels of education, it varies.

Those with the least education (less than 6 years, some secondary school)--Clinton wins those voters. Those with the lowest educational levels (blacks and Hispanics) vote the most heavily Democratic.

High school graduates and some college--Trump wins those voters

College graduates--Clinton wins those voters 49%-45%.
White college graduates--Trump wins those voters 49%-45%

Post-graduate--Clinton wins

I remember when Democrats championed representing the working class. Today, they brag about being more educated than they are. That may explain why Democrats have lost the white working class vote.
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BOTTOM LINE: The states with the most educated population are blue states...and the states with the most under-educated population are red states...WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.

And on that, I most definitely am NOT wrong.
 
Loving91390 said:
You aren’t my type .... Yank Apenis .
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I know I'm not.

I'm a human.

Here's a pin up for you. Unfortunately, it is a ewe. Probably not your type either.

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Port Tack said:
Yes he won by winning the electoral college which decides. Yes Hillary won the popular vote by roughly 3 million votes.
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Since the electoral college decides, according to the Constitution, and the same Constitution makes no mention of overall popular vote, we can conclude several things related to the 2016 election.

1) You don't understand how the electoral college works
2) You don't understand why such a system was put into place
3) Hillary got her ass kicked
 
Frank Apisa said:
BOTTOM LINE: The states with the most educated population are blue states...and the states with the most under-educated population are red states...WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.

And on that, I most definitely am NOT wrong.
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You are not wrong, but that is a separate issue than who voted for Trump within those states.

Your original post characterized Trump voters as: "More educated voter = opposition to Trump...less educated voter = support for Trump."

This is not an accurate description since a white person with a college degree or some college was more likely to vote for Trump than a person without a high school education. The least educated were much more likely to vote for Clinton; thus, the "less educated voter = support for Trump" does not hold true.

Whites without a college degree were more likely to vote for Trump than college graduates would be accurate but is not the same thing you are saying.

I am not a Trump supporter or defender, but I oppose inaccurate descriptions; especially when they are partisan seeking to denigrate people who don't agree with your political views.
 
CFM said:
Since the electoral college decides, according to the Constitution, and the same Constitution makes no mention of overall popular vote, we can conclude several things related to the 2016 election.

1) You don't understand how the electoral college works
2) You don't understand why such a system was put into place
3) Hillary got her ass kicked
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The Constitution makes no mention of any popular vote and the electoral college was not designed to include one.
 
Flash said:
The Constitution makes no mention of any popular vote and the electoral college was not designed to include one.
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Which goes to show that #1 and #2 are true statements.

Based on what the founders believed, they never considered the use of popular vote to determine electoral votes. That was the States deciding to divide them that way.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Whatever.

The people with the most education reject Trump.

The people with the least education worship him.
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"The people with the most education reject Trump." Correct, by a 49%-45% margin (except white college graduates that Trump won)

"The people with the least education worship him." False. The lowest levels of education voted the highest percentage for Clinton.
 
Hello Frank,

Frank Apisa said:
They have been had, Poli. And have no idea of how to get out of it without losing face.

So they are sticking with him.

They are a sad bunch.

They've got a life ahead of them to realize and regret just how short-sighted and unpatriotic they are being right now.
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They lost face when they took up with him.
 
Flash said:
You are not wrong, but that is a separate issue than who voted for Trump within those states.

Your original post characterized Trump voters as: "More educated voter = opposition to Trump...less educated voter = support for Trump."

This is not an accurate description since a white person with a college degree or some college was more likely to vote for Trump than a person without a high school education. The least educated were much more likely to vote for Clinton; thus, the "less educated voter = support for Trump" does not hold true.

The inferences of that are that more educated voters tend to

Whites without a college degree were more likely to vote for Trump than college graduates would be accurate but is not the same thing you are saying.

I am not a Trump supporter or defender, but I oppose inaccurate descriptions; especially when they are partisan seeking to denigrate people who don't agree with your political views.
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My original comment was: BOTTOM LINE: The states with the most educated population are blue states...and the states with the most under-educated population are red states...WHICH IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.

The inference of that IS "more educated voters = opposition to Trump"; "less educated voters = support for Trump."

If you want to quibble for whatever reason...fine with me.

I'll stick with what I said.
 
CFM said:
Which goes to show that #1 and #2 are true statements.

Based on what the founders believed, they never considered the use of popular vote to determine electoral votes. That was the States deciding to divide them that way.
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True. They assumed Congress would determine the president because they did not think any candidates would win a majority of electoral votes. They thought the first choice of electors would be somebody from their own state thus splitting the vote among many people.

I shouldn't have used "candidates" because they did not believe people would actually run for office. The electors would vote for the best person for the job and not choose among different candidates.
 
Flash said:
"The people with the most education reject Trump." Correct, by a 49%-45% margin (except white college graduates that Trump won)

"The people with the least education worship him." False. The lowest levels of education voted the highest percentage for Clinton.
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Ummm...you sound like the kind of guy witnessing a discussion in astrophysics...and arguing that the flat-Earthers are being given short-shrift.

Okay...I get that.

So..continue.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Ummm...you sound like the kind of guy witnessing a discussion in astrophysics...and arguing that the flat-Earthers are being given short-shrift.

Okay...I get that.

So..continue.
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Agreed. I think even you flat-earthers deserve a voice and then we will politely show you how you are wrong.
 
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