Florida Governor orders schools to drop standards for academic performance

As I recall, in h.s. the advanced math classes were geometry, trig, calculus, and Algebra II. H.S. was grades 10-12 but classes you took in 9th grade (which was lumped in with 7th and 8th grades and called jr. high) counted towards your graduation credits. That was when I took "baby math." Despite the fact that they went to a small rural h.s., my youngest two were able to take the above in h.s., plus they offered honors English and college mathematics (calculus, trig) for college credit. Both of them got their college math and English requirements out of the way while still in h.s. Parents of course had to pay for the college credit courses, but even so it was a lot cheaper than actual college tuition.

Now that I think about it, that sounds exactly like what we had. Although I distinctly remember starting Allegra in 8th grade. By the time I got to trigonometry, all the kids in that class seemingly had had college aspirations. Aka, grease monkey free-zone.
 
Haha, last week they all would have argued that standardized testing is the only way to assess how the teachers are performing. These two methods are diametrically opposite.

That's the Republiqan approach to education -- blame the teachers. Poor outcomes are never the fault of lack of funding, poor parenting and involvement, etc. Nope, it's the teachers' fault and test scores prove it. :rolleyes:

Now they'll have to come up with a more creative way to blame them.
 
machine shops and even car chips require math, but im not sure of algebra.

Truthfully I never used it after school, but my degree was psyche, and lots of biology

I dont disagree: we should follow Germany and have an wide apprentice program in parternship with business for those not wanting to waste their time with liberal arts
 
I’m all for a certain amount of testing. How much those tests mean to a kids future or to a school’s funding is where there needs to be change … edited to add: and taking into consideration a student’s prospective post high school goals.
long time since school,
but that's what it was . your school coursework was a certain percentage of your grade and testing was also
 
Now that I think about it, that sounds exactly like what we had. Although I distinctly remember starting Allegra in 8th grade. By the time I got to trigonometry, all the kids in that class seemingly had had college aspirations. Aka, grease monkey free-zone.

Well, we need mechanics as much, if not more, than we need another lawyer or English Lit major. lol

Did your school offer shop and/or home ec? Was PE required?
 
Well, we need mechanics as much, if not more, than we need another lawyer or English Lit major. lol

Did your school offer shop and/or home ec? Was PE required?

There were vocational offerings, auto shop, woodworking, clerical classes, computer classes (the old punch card nonsense). PE was required, I remember playing a lot of basketball.

I am an equal opportunity insulter. Math geeks, science nerds, and grease monkeys are fair game!

I spent my time working construction, house painting, and delivery driver - and Rush's ode to the Working Man might be my favorite rock tune ever!

 
its a progressive decision that all teachers unions support, damn you don't even know your own party standards:laugh:
This isn't about their schools, teachers, or the students....this is just plain liberal politics...;)
Sad, isn't it?
 
I like that consumer math idea. Our district rolled that into the required civics class in 9th grade. One quarter was devoted to creating a family budget, learning how to fill out a 1040, how the stock markets work including having to pick three stocks to follow during the quarter and write a paper on how well (or poorly) they did, and why -- which meant reading the financial section of the daily newspaper. It was an Economics 101 Lite, basically. We also had to learn the Missouri and U.S. Constitutions, memorize a bunch of stuff about them, and had to write a letter to one of our congresscritters or Senators about some issue affecting kids/students. Does your district require Civics as well?

Your son -- no way was HE getting out of math lightly. lol Has he chosen a major yet?

Yes. They take Civics in elementary and Government in high school. Our teacher makes them write (email nowadays) one of their congressmen/women at both state and national levels.

My boy is majoring in Mathematics though he definitely won't be a teacher. He likes the research/statistical side of things but doesn't know yet what direction he will go with it. And you're right, the Consumer Math was great and coupled with Sophomore General Buisness helped us be very prepared to run a household.
 
Yes. They take Civics in elementary and Government in high school. Our teacher makes them write (email nowadays) one of their congressmen/women at both state and national levels.

My boy is majoring in Mathematics though he definitely won't be a teacher. He likes the research/statistical side of things but doesn't know yet what direction he will go with it. And you're right, the Consumer Math was great and coupled with Sophomore General Buisness helped us be very prepared to run a household.

Accountant plus juris doctor. You can never get screwed because you can't understand a P&L or a contract terms an conditions. ;)

Life is about not getting screwed. There I just gave to 50% of the secret. :)
 
I sure hope you haven't misunderstood what I am saying ...
Not a bit of it! You are completely clear.
I am ALL FOR ALGEBRA AND THE ADVANCED MATHEMATICS ... My point is ... the algebra that is being taught is devoid of ALL the elements. Yeah, the kid can add two A and three A ... but can't divide two A and three A .
Actually, you can. 2A/3A=0.6666666A (approximately...it's an irrational number). This is true for any value of A.
BTW ... how many HS grads know ALL the multiplication tables ???
They used to go to 12. Now they go to ten. Since a fair number of high school graduates don't know them at all since they don't know arithmetic, they must take remedial education courses to hold most any job above busboy or common waiter.

I too support better teaching in mathematics. Most people never learned statistical mathematics, and so do not recognize the math errors constantly shoved at us by the government and the Democrats.
 
By “ALL” I am assuming you mean through 12 x 12. I’ll venture about 15% of high school grads. Sad but true from my experience. Then the number that know their perfect square numbers through 400 (20 x 20) … I’d say that number drops to less than 3%. I wish it were better.

This has roughly been my experience too.
 
Actually, you can. 2A/3A=0.6666666A (approximately...it's an irrational number). This is true for any value of A.

This is correct ... however, the point I was making (but only in MY mind) was that to do algebraic division, you need to know how fractions work. That's way some state standards allow algebra to be taught san division.

They used to go to 12. Now they go to ten. Since a fair number of high school graduates don't know them at all since they don't know arithmetic, they must take remedial education courses to hold most any job above busboy or common waiter. .

Yes we did ... now most third graders (where multiplication is supposed to be taught) go all the way up to the 5's ... they magically pick up the rest later.

Saw that multiple times paying cash and seeing a free show watching the kid give back the correct change.
 
Everyone learns differently...has different situations...cognitive, emotional, social, environmental....why not take an approach which will optimize learning?
(Algebra applications in auto class might very well be much easier to learn for some than just sitting in class staring at the board....Know your students...There are so many options available.... I do think it's important to be able to make change...don't you?;)

My biggest complaint about math classes is that they are math classes, taught in a vacuum with no application. Dry as dust and just as ignored.

Teach math with applications. There is a reason this stuff developed. It was because of figuring out the application for it, and how that application worked.

This means, of course, that you are teaching history along with math, including the history of science and engineering. Unfortunately, history teachers do not know science or engineering, and science teachers do not know history. Some engineering teachers know a bit of history of the technology they are teaching, but are often weak on how math applies there and why.

Today's class structures teach mathematics without application. History teachers teach history without application to today. Many history teachers don't even teach history.

That's if they teach anything besides propaganda at all.

After 12 years of school, many of these kids can't even handle arithmetic. In some schools, 2+2=4 is now considered racist.
 
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