Did he have Medicare?
From a friend on FB, re ACA
- Thread starter tekkychick
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Did he have Medicare?
So we're extrapolating what millions of people may or may not do based on a few man-on-the-street interviews? OK. Sensible.
And, no, it was not obvious. The "they" was a vague pronoun and I prefer not to assume when I can ask.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
I appreciate your sincere effort. While most of what you've posted looks appealing, my whole life has examples of government involvement that has proven to be harmful. There are several reasons why I would be sceptical of what you've posted, a few of which are:
1.There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently; do we really want an organization that developed the U.S. Tax Code handling something as complex as health care?
2."Free" health care isn't really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc.
3.Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness.
4.Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.
5.The health-care industry likely will become infused with the same kind of corruption, back-room dealing, and special-interest-dominated sleaze that is already prevalent in other areas of government.
6.Patients aren't likely to curb their drug costs and doctor visits if health care is free; thus, total costs will be several times what they are now.
7.Just because Americans are uninsured doesn't mean they can't receive health care; nonprofits and government-run hospitals provide services to those who don't have insurance, and it is illegal to refuse emergency medical service because of a lack of insurance.
8.Government-mandated procedures will likely reduce doctor flexibility and lead to poor patient care.
9.Healthy people who take care of themselves will have to pay for the burden of those who smoke, are obese, etc.
10.In an effort to cut costs, price & salary controls on drugs, medical equipment, and medical services are likely to be put in place, meaning there is less incentive to pursue medical-related research, development, and investment, nor pursue medical careers in general.
11.A long, painful transition will have to take place involving lost insurance industry jobs, business closures, and new patient record creation.
12.Loss of private practice options and possible reduced pay may dissuade many would-be doctors from pursuing the profession.
13.Malpractice lawsuit costs, which are already sky-high, could further explode since universal care may expose the government to legal liability, and the possibility to sue someone with deep pockets usually invites more lawsuits.
14.Government is more likely to pass additional restrictions or increase taxes on smoking, fast food, etc., leading to a further loss of personal freedoms.
15.Patient confidentiality is likely to be compromised since centralized health information will likely be maintained by the government.
16.Health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government. In other words, politics, lifestyle of patients, and philosophical differences of those in power, could determine who gets what.
17.Patients may be subjected to extremely long waits for treatment.
18.Like social security, any government benefit eventually is taken as a "right" by the public, meaning that it's politically near impossible to remove or curtail it later on when costs get out of control.
Just as an example, the government tells me that I should pay more because of global warming. For gas, fuel efficient cars, reduce coal supplies, etc. Even when the real polluters, such as China, and India aren't doing anything to reduce their carbon footprint. Which means, all the effort here in the USA isn't going to do a thing but make people like Al Gore rich and me and others poor, and struggle because of it. Government has just become a burden. 100% of what our founders warned us about,,,,, if we go down the road we've gone down. So forgive me if I have reservations.
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
He died at the age of 59. I don't think he had any help at all. He got cancer at the age of 51, and did what the doctors said. He went to MD Anderson in Houston, and they had a way for him to get the help he needed.
evince
Truthmatters
oh come on liberty you know I will never give up my potty mouth.
Sorry to hear about your Dad.
someone paid for the care he received and if it wasn't him it was likely taxes that paid for it.
Im glad someone did.
I glad you had those 8 or so more years with him.
I want EVERONE whos sick to get care.
that is the non sociopathic way to look at life.
I know some of you actually think the bill will harm people.
You can only believe that if you LIE to yourself about the REAL facts
tekkychick
New member
You can have reservations. But you can't ignore data from other countries with single payer systems. And you just did another bunch of "what if, suppose, I think" with no data.
Do you think the US is just less capable than those other countries? I don't think that.
BY THE WAY - INSURANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN HEALTHY PEOPLE SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE WHO WERE OVERWEIGHT, SMOKERS, DRINKERS, ETC
And People who are uninsured and still get care cost all of us.
Just had to address those two points; the rest, forget about it; you aren't listening anyway.
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tekkychick
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she didn't claim "millions signed up" ; she said "millions TRIED to sign up".
healthcare.gov got 4.7 million unique visitors in the first 24 hours; so yeah, seems like she's right.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/obamacare-site-goes-live-with-some-glitches/2013/10/01/380a4300-2a9d-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html
That's not even counting the ones who went to their state's exchange.
They might not all be signing up yet; they might be reviewing the options still; but that's a lot of people
zappasguitar
Well-known member
What's this?
The same guy who couldn't be bothered to answer a question TWICE because it was too big an inconvenience, now expects someone else to go that extra mile he wouldn't?
Typical "do as I say and not as I do" Rightie.
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The Almighty
Yes, she said tried to sign up. Which again... she has NO evidence to support her claim. None.
Getting visitors does not mean those visitors tried to sign up. She did exactly what she accused him of doing. She made an unsubstantiated claim.
Can't help but notice that the government refuses to say how many signed up yesterday. Given it is online, the numbers should be quite easy to tally.
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The Almighty
\She has not answered even once. So how is this the same? Oh yeah, it isn't.
zappasguitar
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I love watching morons like you try to play games of 'gotcha' and failing miserably as you just did on this thread.
zappasguitar
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Wrong...you asked her a bullshit question that had nothing to do with what she said.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
You mean like the "gotcha" moment of yours where you couldn't even be bothered to accurately quote desh?
You mean like that "gotcha" moment?
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The Almighty
Wrong, it has everything to do with what she said. Seriously, are you on crack right now?
Liberty
Libertarian Minded
Thx for the kind words evince.
We're not really much different on this issue. It's just the way we, and gov't should go about it.
I bet if everyone here got together, and tried to come up with a solution, talked, and threw the football of ideas around, and then voted on each idea, we could come up with something much better than what is law at this time. The mandate brings a lot of anxiety that's not necesary.
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post 130... her exact words are quoted... so do shut your ass.
evince
Truthmatters
the healthcare bill is just that liberty.
tell me the EXACT part of you you think is SOOOOO bad?
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The NHS is UK wide not just England.