Get The Super Greeedy Wealth Extractors Out Of Health Care. We Need Single Payer NOW!

End the wealth extraction.

The rich are more than rich enough.

They don't need any more of our money.

It is reprehensible for them to work us over for part of every single health care transaction.

They completely control the entire market. They wrote the PPACA for their own benefit.

It is time for We The People to stand together against the power junkies.

We need to tell Big Insurance: "You're Fired."

We need to tell Big Pharma: "You're Fired, Too!"

Big Insurance and Big Pharma = Big RIP OFF.



"They exploited national resources, waged economic wars among themselves, entered into combinations, made private capital out of the public domain, and used any and every method to achieve their ends. They made agreements with railroads for rebates; they purchased newspapers and bought editors; they killed off competing and independent businesses and employed lawyers of skill and statesmen of repute to sustain their rights and secure their privileges. There is something demonic about these lords of creation; it is not merely rhetoric to call them robber barons."

C. Wright Mills, from “The Power Elite”, one of the finest studies of the pathologies of the uber-rich.
 
You are a dumb motherfucker. Who do you think wanted Obamacare? Insurance companies maybe? You are really a special level of stupid.

Rude and stupid, a hard way to go through life,. Obama had to make concessions to insurance companies for them to allow it to happen. Same for PHARM. They had the power to stop the ACA. The point was to work on insurance companies and PHARM over time.Oddly enough, when Repubs got in they did the opposite., What a shock. NoGuileless, the insurabnce companies did not write the ACA for their benefit. But concessions were made to get a foot in the door.
 
You are a dumb motherfucker. Who do you think wanted Obamacare? Insurance companies maybe? You are really a special level of stupid.

Who wanted it? Where did the concept come from? The Heritage Fundation. Your Wall Street/donor/"job creator class.
 
I admit, the health care industry could use some market based reforms. Single payer is not the answer. As an American citizen, I cherish liberty and having the right to make choices about my own health care. Single payer (as laid out by Bernie Sanders) takes away choices. Private insurance would be illegal under Bernie's plan. I happen to be quite satisfied with my employer sponsored health care plan. Why in the heck should some politicians be able to tell me how my health care dollars should be spent?

When the government is "paying for" healthcare you give up most of your ability to make your own choices. I'd also like to point out that the way it's being characterized is patently dishonest. Calling single payer "Medicare for all" as liberal Democrats have been doing, is a lie. Medicare would cease to exist under Bernie's plan.

As for the demonization of the pharmaceutical industry, the profit motive is the biggest driver of innovation in the world. Get rid of it and the output of new drugs would take a nosedive. There have been some instances of predatory behavior, which can and should be mitigated, but on the whole pharmaceutical companies have helped a lot of patients.
 
I admit, the health care industry could use some market based reforms. Single payer is not the answer. As an American citizen, I cherish liberty and having the right to make choices about my own health care. Single payer (as laid out by Bernie Sanders) takes away choices. Private insurance would be illegal under Bernie's plan. I happen to be quite satisfied with my employer sponsored health care plan. Why in the heck should some politicians be able to tell me how my health care dollars should be spent?

When the government is "paying for" healthcare you give up most of your ability to make your own choices. I'd also like to point out that the way it's being characterized is patently dishonest. Calling single payer "Medicare for all" as liberal Democrats have been doing, is a lie. Medicare would cease to exist under Bernie's plan.

As for the demonization of the pharmaceutical industry, the profit motive is the biggest driver of innovation in the world. Get rid of it and the output of new drugs would take a nosedive. There have been some instances of predatory behavior, which can and should be mitigated, but on the whole pharmaceutical companies have helped a lot of patients.

"Market based" anything is predation.
 
"Market based" anything is predation.

"Market based" is driven by consumers making choices. It's a good thing if you like liberty. It also breeds competition which leads to increased efficiency. "Government run" anything will result in high cost, waste, bloat, inefficiency and cronyism. Not to mention less ability for consumers to have choices.
 
"Market based" is driven by consumers making choices. It's a good thing if you like liberty. It also breeds competition which leads to increased efficiency. "Government run" anything will result in high cost, waste, bloat, inefficiency and cronyism. Not to mention less ability for consumers to have choices.

It is corporate based not market. There is no competition. They are doing what all corporations do, max the profits and end competition. Pharmacy companies pay mega millions to companies that develop cheaper versions to keep them off the market. Competition might help us, but we do not have it.
 
"Market based" is driven by consumers making choices. It's a good thing if you like liberty. It also breeds competition which leads to increased efficiency. "Government run" anything will result in high cost, waste, bloat, inefficiency and cronyism. Not to mention less ability for consumers to have choices.

That's the slogan, yes.

At the age of 10 I was sent as a scholarship student to a boarding school for the uber-rich in Massachusetts. I lived among the wealthiest Americans for the next eight years. I listened to their prejudices and saw their cloying sense of entitlement. They insisted they were privileged and wealthy because they were smarter and more talented. They had a sneering disdain for those ranked below them in material and social status, even the merely rich. Most of the uber-rich lacked the capacity for empathy and compassion. They formed elite cliques that hazed, bullied and taunted any nonconformist who defied or did not fit into their self-adulatory universe.

It was impossible to build a friendship with most of the sons of the uber-rich. Friendship for them was defined by “what’s in it for me?” They were surrounded from the moment they came out of the womb by people catering to their desires and needs. They were incapable of reaching out to others in distress—whatever petty whim or problem they had at the moment dominated their universe and took precedence over the suffering of others, even those within their own families. They knew only how to take. They could not give. They were deformed and deeply unhappy people in the grip of an unquenchable narcissism.

It is essential to understand the pathologies of the uber-rich. They have seized total political power. These pathologies inform Donald Trump, his children, the Brett Kavanaughs, and the billionaires who run his administration. The uber-rich cannot see the world from anyone’s perspective but their own. People around them, including the women whom entitled men prey upon, are objects designed to gratify momentary lusts or be manipulated. The uber-rich are almost always amoral. Right. Wrong. Truth. Lies. Justice. Injustice. These concepts are beyond them. Whatever benefits or pleases them is good. What does not must be destroyed.

The pathology of the uber-rich is what permits Trump and his callow son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to conspire with de facto Saudi ruler Mohammed bin Salman, another product of unrestrained entitlement and nepotism, to cover up the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi, whom I worked with in the Middle East. The uber-rich spend their lives protected by their inherited wealth, the power it wields and an army of enablers, including other members of the fraternity of the uber-rich, along with their lawyers and publicists. There are almost never any consequences for their failures, abuses, mistreatment of others and crimes. This is why the Saudi crown prince and Kushner have bonded. They are the homunculi the uber-rich routinely spawn.



The rule of the uber-rich, for this reason, is terrifying. They know no limits. They have never abided by the norms of society and never will. We pay taxes—they don’t. We work hard to get into an elite university or get a job—they don’t. We have to pay for our failures—they don’t. We are prosecuted for our crimes—they are not.

The uber-rich live in an artificial bubble, a land called Richistan, a place of Frankenmansions and private jets, cut off from our reality. Wealth, I saw, not only perpetuates itself but is used to monopolize the new opportunities for wealth creation. Social mobility for the poor and the working class is largely a myth. The uber-rich practice the ultimate form of affirmative action, catapulting white, male mediocrities like Trump, Kushner and George W. Bush into elite schools that groom the plutocracy for positions of power. The uber-rich are never forced to grow up. They are often infantilized for life, squalling for what they want and almost always getting it. And this makes them very, very dangerous.

Political theorists, from Aristotle and Karl Marx to Sheldon Wolin, have warned against the rule of the uber-rich. Once the uber-rich take over, Aristotle writes, the only options are tyranny and revolution. They do not know how to nurture or build. They know only how to feed their bottomless greed. It’s a funny thing about the uber-rich: No matter how many billions they possess, they never have enough. They are the Hungry Ghosts of Buddhism. They seek, through the accumulation of power, money and objects, an unachievable happiness. This life of endless desire often ends badly, with the uber-rich estranged from their spouses and children, bereft of genuine friends. And when they are gone, as Charles Dickens wrote in “A Christmas Carol,” most people are glad to be rid of them.

The Rule of the Uber-Rich Means Tyranny or Revolution
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-rule-of-the-uber-rich-means-tyranny-or-revolution/
 
Who wanted it? Where did the concept come from? The Heritage Fundation. Your Wall Street/donor/"job creator class.

The Heritage Foundation came up with that health care plan and Romney installed it in Mass.Romney said when they put it in that it was an example for the nation. When he ran for Prez, he denied it.
 
Fact is healthcare could use the VA, Medicare and Medicaid money. That would pay for it. We would not use them anymore. Vets could go to any doctor or hospital .That would be a great benefit. Truth is most veterans really like the care at the VA. But for many. it is very inconvenient to get to the VA. Many Rural vets don't have access.
I always wonder about the wait times. When I call for an appointment, I have to pick a date 2 weeks or more in the future.
A big savings is eliminating health care insurance companies. They could just handle bookwork for the national healthcare. Thay are a big part of what makes our system cruel and unusable for the poor.

Your pie in the sky view is sweet, but not based in reality. The only way funds from the VA, Medicare and Medicaid could cover all the people they currently pay for, plus everybody else is to ration care. For all you libs who like to fear monger about repubs cutting Medicare, you're the ones who want to "throw granny off a cliff".
 
You boys need to educate yourselves on the realities of health care.

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Yes--it is very misleading and inaccurate to blame insurance companies for the high cost of health care. Not only are their profits relatively low but insurance is a fairly low percentage of the total cost. The biggest expense is the provision of medical services (hospital care=32%). Insurance costs (profit, administration, and provider management) are 3.5% of all healthcare costs.
 
Your pie in the sky view is sweet, but not based in reality. The only way funds from the VA, Medicare and Medicaid could cover all the people they currently pay for, plus everybody else is to ration care. For all you libs who like to fear monger about repubs cutting Medicare, you're the ones who want to "throw granny off a cliff".

Universal care does exactly that. Everyone goes to the convenient or preferred provider. Granny would go to the closest doctor or the one she has been seeing. Everyone who pays for health care at work, would be on it. That albatros would be off the backs of companies, who actually get a benefit from having it. You always have to do calculations if you leave a job to avoid that no coverage gap.
Americans spend double and get worse care or none.
Can you imagine if we did not have to worry about health care?
 
Universal care does exactly that. Everyone goes to the convenient or preferred provider. Granny would go to the closest doctor or the one she has been seeing.

Unless the bureaucrats in charge decide that granny's age, factored with her estimated quality of life, along with statistical analysis of survival rate deem that she's not worth the expenditure from the ever dwindling pot of money. Luckily your plan always has that cliff, to make things affordable... buh bye granny. Otherwise the numbers just don't work.

Everyone who pays for health care at work, would be on it. That albatros would be off the backs of companies, who actually get a benefit from having it. You always have to do calculations if you leave a job to avoid that no coverage gap.

How can something simultaneously be an albatross on your back and a benefit? Makes about as much sense as forcing people who are happy with the health care they have into a government bureaucracy.

Americans spend double and get worse care or none.
Can you imagine if we did not have to worry about health care?

Again, I'm perfectly happy with the health care I have. Why should a bunch of know nothing liberals get to take away my choice in the matter?
 
Unless the bureaucrats in charge decide that granny's age, factored with her estimated quality of life, along with statistical analysis of survival rate deem that she's not worth the expenditure from the ever dwindling pot of money. Luckily your plan always has that cliff, to make things affordable... buh bye granny. Otherwise the numbers just don't work.



How can something simultaneously be an albatross on your back and a benefit? Makes about as much sense as forcing people who are happy with the health care they have into a government bureaucracy.



Again, I'm perfectly happy with the health care I have. Why should a bunch of know nothing liberals get to take away my choice in the matter?

Age, health and wealth do not figure in universal care. No bills. No charges. you get served just like you are a real person. Taxes pay it all. But we get rid of insurance companies. They are actually in the healthcare denial business. No bankruptcies from an illness. No worrying about changing jobs. No fear that you getting ill will throw your family in the street. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of those terrible worries? Amerivcans are one accident or illness from a disaterous , life changing future It is one you do not control..
 
Age, health and wealth do not figure in universal care.
:lies:
That's not the way it works in any other country with single payer, why should anyone believe it would be that way here?

No bills. No charges. you get served just like you are a real person. Taxes pay it all. But we get rid of insurance companies. They are actually in the healthcare denial business.
If insurance companies are so bad, why do you need to take away my choice to get my healthcare through them? Wouldn't everyone just voluntarily give up their current plan in favor of an enormous tax increase? Because lots of people are better off with private insurance, but you lying leftists want to get your grubby mitts into our wallets. If we have a choice, many people will decline. Your scheme falls apart when people are allowed a choice.

No bankruptcies from an illness. No worrying about changing jobs. No fear that you getting ill will throw your family in the street. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of those terrible worries?
We already have affordable plans that will cover catastrophic injuries or illnesses. We have Cobra plans for people changing jobs. I like my plan and my situation. Why should people like you get to take away my choice? Still waiting for you to explain that.

Amerivcans are one accident or illness from a disaterous , life changing future It is one you do not control..
Very disingenuous coming from someone who wants everyone to turn over control to .gov
 
Unless the bureaucrats in charge decide that granny's age, factored with her estimated quality of life, along with statistical analysis of survival rate deem that she's not worth the expenditure from the ever dwindling pot of money. Luckily your plan always has that cliff, to make things affordable... buh bye granny. Otherwise the numbers just don't work.



How can something simultaneously be an albatross on your back and a benefit? Makes about as much sense as forcing people who are happy with the health care they have into a government bureaucracy.



Again, I'm perfectly happy with the health care I have. Why should a bunch of know nothing liberals get to take away my choice in the matter?

Universal heathcare means everyone is covered. So no, granny is not singled out nor does she have to pay more. Taxes pay it and all are fully covered.
Whether you are happy with your healthcare is irrelavant. It changes with whatever deal a company makes with insurance companies. They get worse and worse over time.
Insurance companies are actually insurance deniers. they fight you for everything you paid for. They make bigger profits by denying than providing. If you get seriously ill you will findout. I have friends who have fought with insuance compnies to get their care. My bother who worked for one, fought them as they denied treatments for his brain cancer. My wife has leukemia and the hours we have spent fighting insurance companies has been a horror of our lives. Phone calls, paperwork and emails by the hundreds.
 
the rightys have the nerve to say they are protectors of the preexisting conditions insurance rule. What a farce. They only voted to kill the ACA 70 times. At this moment they have a law they are pushing through, backed by Daffy, that would end coverage for preexisting conditions. But they loudly claim the opposite and rightys jump on board repeating the lies. Trump even claimed it is the Dems trying to kill it. It would be funny if it wasn't such a dangerous thing for Americans.
 
Universal heathcare means everyone is covered. So no, granny is not singled out nor does she have to pay more. Taxes pay it and all are fully covered.
Whether you are happy with your healthcare is irrelavant. It changes with whatever deal a company makes with insurance companies. They get worse and worse over time.
Insurance companies are actually insurance deniers. they fight you for everything you paid for. They make bigger profits by denying than providing. If you get seriously ill you will findout. I have friends who have fought with insuance compnies to get their care. My bother who worked for one, fought them as they denied treatments for his brain cancer. My wife has leukemia and the hours we have spent fighting insurance companies has been a horror of our lives. Phone calls, paperwork and emails by the hundreds.

Universal care ALWAYS involves rationing of care. For example, 82 year old granny might benefit from a knee replacement. Bureaucrats will take into account her age, overall health, life expectancy, etc and then decide if it's a worthwhile expenditure. To deny that such decisions to deny care happen under single payer is to LIE. The estimates I've seen of the anticipated cost is more than $30 trillion over the next 10 years. That's an astronomical tax increase, and I will remain opposed to it. The end result will be higher cost and worse care for anyone who is even moderately successful. You can keep peddling your wealth redistribution and lies all you want. At the end of the day your position is to take away people's choices, redistribute wealth and hand over more control to the government. No thanks!
 
Universal care does exactly that. Everyone goes to the convenient or preferred provider. Granny would go to the closest doctor or the one she has been seeing. Everyone who pays for health care at work, would be on it. That albatros would be off the backs of companies, who actually get a benefit from having it. You always have to do calculations if you leave a job to avoid that no coverage gap.
Americans spend double and get worse care or none.
Can you imagine if we did not have to worry about health care?
And it magically gets performed at no cost to anyone at all !
 
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