hvilleherb
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ObamaCare needs to be completely repealed. Trump already promised to replace it with something better.
Get The Super Greeedy Wealth Extractors Out Of Health Care. We Need Single Payer NOW!
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ObamaCare needs to be completely repealed. Trump already promised to replace it with something better.
No thats what our health care does. If you don't have the right coverage ,you are on your own. Want to enjoy the fun of arguing over and over with healthcare secretaries whose job is to stop you fram accessing care? Millions of people have no health care coverage. They just get sivcer until they go to emergency at great expense and too late to fix what could have been fixed easily and cheaper with regular doctor visits.
Ever hear of rescission?That is the fun of having you hospitalization rejected because he health insurance company nullifies the insurance you paid for. You sdid not mention your acne medicine on your paperwor, so your shattered pelvis operation is rejected.
Whem Taiwan was setting up their health insurance to cover their citizens they came to America. it was revealing. They said they came to see what NOT to do.
That what you think? Not too bright are you? That what happens in every industrial country but America, magic? Funny they spend half oer person and cover everybody. That magic? nope just a proper use of the health system to cover all the people . Thay all do it. Not magic at all. I live near Detroit and know lots of canadians. They laugh at our health care. Americans, i am sure you are one, say they don't like their system.Dead wrong. They want to improve it, but not worrying healh care is a huge burden off their backs. It helps their lives in so many ways.
Sirthinksalot
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Did that happen to you? I had a hunch you might be a basement dwelling pimple popper. Thanks for confirming.
Did that happen to you? I had a hunch you might be a basement dwelling pimple popper. Thanks for confirming.
Sorry but you are flat out wrong about every aspect of health care. But you have replaced actual knowledge with unbacked certainty. You have that going for you. https://health.usnews.com/health-ca...nsurance-companies-meddle-in-your-health-care This about rescision. https://www.verywellhealth.com/health-insurance-rescission-2615206 You are woefully uninformed.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
That sounds like the figure for Medicare.
For-profit insurance is allowed by the law they wrote for themselves to take 20% for profits and administration. They only spend 80% of all they receive on actual health care.
It was worse before the PPACA. They didn't even spend 80%, kept more. Health insurance company executives are among the highest paid anywhere. They have so much money they don't know what to do with it. They spend a lot to influence politics. Very high campaign contributions to both sides. They win no matter which party wins. They want to keep us fighting among ourselves. That last thing they want is for us to combine our efforts against them. We are neatly divided and conquered. They get richer.
We reprimanded President Reagan for supplying arms to both sides of a war, but we are fine with our corporations buying into both sides of politics. How is that different ethics?
That sounds like the figure for Medicare.
For-profit insurance is allowed by the law they wrote for themselves to take 20% for profits and administration. They only spend 80% of all they receive on actual health care.
It was worse before the PPACA. They didn't even spend 80%, kept more. Health insurance company executives are among the highest paid anywhere. They have so much money they don't know what to do with it. They spend a lot to influence politics. Very high campaign contributions to both sides. They win no matter which party wins. They want to keep us fighting among ourselves. That last thing they want is for us to combine our efforts against them. We are neatly divided and conquered. They get richer.
We reprimanded President Reagan for supplying arms to both sides of a war, but we are fine with our corporations buying into both sides of politics. How is that different ethics?
For many, this is health care in America. essentially none. https://www.npr.org/2009/07/27/111066576/rural-medical-camp-tackles-health-care-gaps But someone is happy with their health care , so there is no probglem.
evince
Truthmatters
they are shameless beings
they cant be human
even a sociopath would turn red with the thought of their shamless lying
For many, this is health care in America. essentially none. https://www.npr.org/2009/07/27/111066576/rural-medical-camp-tackles-health-care-gaps But someone, like Thinksaittle, is happy with their health care , so there is no problem. Our healthcare system is an over priced disaster that presidents have vowed to change since FDR.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
I know, right?
Total hypocrites.
State Attorneys General are pushing this lawsuit to exempt their States from preexisting condition coverage requirements as their campaign mailings tell voters they are trying to protect preexisting conditions.
They are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I hope they do eat it.
In the election.
I know, right?
Total hypocrites.
State Attorneys General are pushing this lawsuit to exempt their States from preexisting condition coverage requirements as their campaign mailings tell voters they are trying to protect preexisting conditions.
They are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I hope they do eat it.
In the election.
I understand, but that 20% for administration and profits is just their share of the cost. It is a relatively small percentage of all healthcare costs. So eliminating insurance companies does not reduce total costs very much. Many of the European nations with universal healthcare use insurance companies because they continually have a problem with keeping costs down if they just rely on private providers billing.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
We could cover everybody and we could do it for less than we are paying now. Billing, coverage and pricing red tape bureaucracy cost us needlessly. So much wasted effort. All it does is works out who gets your money. That's not delivering health care. It is a needless cost. Paying for a bunch of key clickers.
Single Payer NOW!
We could cover everybody and we could do it for less than we are paying now. Billing, coverage and pricing red tape bureaucracy cost us needlessly. So much wasted effort. All it does is works out who gets your money. That's not delivering health care. It is a needless cost. Paying for a bunch of key clickers.
Single Payer NOW!
Eventually, we will close the "barn door" that is universal healthcare for Americans.
I doubt it is too far into the future...although the ignorant far-right puppets will allow their masters to impede progress toward it for as long as they can.
MY GUESS: It will happen in crisis mode rather than the way intelligent people should handle something like this. But that is the way it goes right now. The troglodytes are in control...and if there is a "right way" and a "wrong way" to handle a problem...THEY WILL ALWAYS CHOOSE THE WRONG WAY.
But one way or another...universal healthcare will be had by all Americans. I also hope it is the first element of socialism that we incorporate into our capitalistic system...to improve it.
I doubt it is too far into the future...although the ignorant far-right puppets will allow their masters to impede progress toward it for as long as they can.
MY GUESS: It will happen in crisis mode rather than the way intelligent people should handle something like this. But that is the way it goes right now. The troglodytes are in control...and if there is a "right way" and a "wrong way" to handle a problem...THEY WILL ALWAYS CHOOSE THE WRONG WAY.
But one way or another...universal healthcare will be had by all Americans. I also hope it is the first element of socialism that we incorporate into our capitalistic system...to improve it.
Medicare is single-payer and estimates it has $60 billion fraud annually. Government programs usually have an incentive to spend more. I am always getting calls from companies wanting to send me free stuff that Medicare will pay for. They are obviously finding people who "qualify" and sending them equipment and supplies and billing Medicare. Some don't even bother to send the stuff--they just bill Medicare and move to a different address and change their name and continue scamming the government.
Do you think the VA is a model for what you are recommending?
our terrible health care system impacts people lives in horrible and important ways. Americans have to worry about health, whether they can access it, or if they can afford it. Getting ill is not just a horrible problem to your health and family, but financially can ruin you. Other countries have taken those cares away. They understand healthcare is a right . Over half of banruptcies have huge health care components. Every other industrial country has gone to national health care. We are the outlier and our people suffer for that. However the lobbying power and financil poower of healthcare system has kept us from doing the right thing. Trump sure isn't interested. What is wrong with America is demonstrated clealy in healhcare. The welfare of the people is subservient to money, power and profits.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Flash,
No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If our system has problems they can be addressed. Improvements can be made. Republicans had a chance to repeal and replace. They blew it. We found out they had no plan.
Sounds like a problem which needs addressing. Efforts to combat that would cost less than the losses, so would be worth it.
No. Canada's system might be a good starting point. But that doesn't matter. The momentum is behind Medicare For All. We'll never get what we want. We will always have to settle for what we can get. Then we identify problems such as the one you pointed out, tweak and make it better. It's a process.
No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If our system has problems they can be addressed. Improvements can be made. Republicans had a chance to repeal and replace. They blew it. We found out they had no plan.
Sounds like a problem which needs addressing. Efforts to combat that would cost less than the losses, so would be worth it.
No. Canada's system might be a good starting point. But that doesn't matter. The momentum is behind Medicare For All. We'll never get what we want. We will always have to settle for what we can get. Then we identify problems such as the one you pointed out, tweak and make it better. It's a process.
Medicare for all, is stopgap, not a solution. It covers 80 percent and Medicare recipients donate over 100 a month to it after paying all their working lives. But with the cost of our healthcare, 20 percent can destroy you.
Over a million American use medical tourism. If they have a healthcare procedure they need, they travel to other countries and get it. Even with the cost of travel and hotel rooms, they save a ton.
I am waiting for the day that insurance companies start sending customers abroad for healthcare to save money.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
Totally agreed but we don't seem to be able to agree nationally that we need to toss all and start from scratch, which is what we really need to do. So it's baby steps. First it was the PPACA, now Medicare for all. I think it's a process because people can't visualize the proper solution. So we have to ramp up slow. Give 'em this and they see the benefits along with the downside. Then point out what would be better. Gradually, we get to where we need to be.
We don't seem to be able to go directly to the good place without exhausting this process. No skipping steps, apparently.
Totally agreed but we don't seem to be able to agree nationally that we need to toss all and start from scratch, which is what we really need to do. So it's baby steps. First it was the PPACA, now Medicare for all. I think it's a process because people can't visualize the proper solution. So we have to ramp up slow. Give 'em this and they see the benefits along with the downside. Then point out what would be better. Gradually, we get to where we need to be.
We don't seem to be able to go directly to the good place without exhausting this process. No skipping steps, apparently.
When I was young companies covered healthcare totally no copays no employee kickins. It was not that huge an expense. But insurance went up year after year far above inflation. It became a huge cost that companies no longer were willing to accept. Now coverage is worse and worse .
Most of the bankruptcies due to illness have insurance.
It is past time for Americans to control their own destinies.
Most of the bankruptcies due to illness have insurance.
It is past time for Americans to control their own destinies.
When I was young companies covered healthcare totally no copays no employee kickins. It was not that huge an expense. But insurance went up year after year far above inflation. It became a huge cost that companies no longer were willing to accept. Now coverage is worse and worse .
Most of the bankruptcies due to illness have insurance.
It is past time for Americans to control their own destinies.
Most of the bankruptcies due to illness have insurance.
It is past time for Americans to control their own destinies.