GREEN KILLERS: CONGO’S MINERS DYING TO FEED WORLD’S HUNGER FOR ELECTRIC CARS

Into the Night said:
Cobalt hexahydrate is not cobalt. Cobalt is not used in catalytic converters nor anywhere else in an internal combustion engine.

40% of the worlds cobalt goes to making Li-ion batteries (such as used in EVs). It acts as the positive terminal in these batteries.
The remainder goes into things like 'rare earth' magnets, since cobalt has a very high curie point.
Some is used in dyes and pigments such as cobalt blue (it really has cobalt in it!). Some special dyes are made with cobalt chloride that change color according to humidity.

Most of the world cobalt supply comes from the Congo, where it is mined by slave children.
Other supplies are from Australia, where it is mined using modern machinery and paid miners.
Minor suppliers are Cuba, Philippines, and Russia.

As these sources are used up to make batteries, the cost of making these batteries will rise dramatically. This is in addition to the lithium problem. Using that up will cause the same problem. Already EVs cannot survive as a major type of vehicle in the open marketplace without government intervention (fascism or communism).

Further, these supplies must be shipped around the world to make the batteries, then shipped around the world again so batteries can be assembled into packs for use in cars.

Then, of course, these cars must be charged. Charging an EV enough to travel a given distance will use about twice the energy that an ICE would to travel that same distance. This is because of losses at the generating plant, losses in transformers, losses in transmission and distribution lines, and losses during the charging cycle and discharge cycle of an EV. ALL of these losses result in waste heat.

In an ICE, waste heat can be used to make my trip much more comfortable in the winter.

Drive an ICE and save energy while putting a dent in the slave mines of Congo. open pit strip mining of lithium, and the use of large amounts of sulfuric acid to process that lithium.

EV's make use of non-renewable materials and waste energy doing it.
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Nutberg is an idiot, anybody that claims cat convertors use cobalt is mentally unsound in my book.
 
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serendipity said:
Nutberg is an idiot, anybody that claims cat convertors use cobalt is mentally unsound in my book.
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He likes to make up a lot of shit. He pretends to be a mechanic and a chemist. He doesn't know the first thing about either. No part of a vehicle's exhaust system has cobalt in it.

Most cars use a stock exhaust system made of mild steel (you can stick a magnet to it). The catalytic converter may be ceramic coated inside, but the core is a platinum, paladium, or rhodium sponge. This is what makes them so freakin' valuable. It's shell is mild steel like the rest of the exhaust system.

Some restoration guys like to use stainless steel exhaust. This is made of an alloy of iron, chromium, and nickle (typically type 304 is used). It makes a good shine and is very resistant to corrosion. It is hard to machine, however. You need to special techniques to drill it or form it.

Some upper end models and a fair amount of aircraft use Iconel, a proprietary alloy of chromium and nickle (no iron). It's easier to work than stainless and has excellent corrosion resistance. It is expensive, however.

O2 sensors use a zirconium bulb and platinum electrodes around it. The sensor is built with a vent so that one side is slightly cooler than the other. This arrangement produces a voltage corresponding to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust system. It not a critical sensor. It is only used as a fuel trim control and is out of circuit when the engine is cold. Most cars have two of these. The 2nd one tests the catalytic converter itself (to see if it's blown out). With a properly working cat converter, the 1st sensor will show a pulse with each exhaust valve opening. The 2nd sensor will be pretty flat average. If the cat blows out, the 2nd sensor will start pulsing like the 1st. The computer will sense this and throw a code.

No cobalt anywhere.


You mentioned you were a chemist. Any area of specialty? Most chemists have one. Mine is in pyrotechnics, although I am familiar with most industrial processes. My business makes sensors for industry, aerospace, medical, and entertainment markets.
 
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Into the Night said:
He likes to make up a lot of shit. He pretends to be a mechanic and a chemist. He doesn't know the first thing about either. No part of a vehicle's exhaust system has cobalt in it.

Most cars use a stock exhaust system made of mild steel (you can stick a magnet to it). The catalytic converter may be ceramic coated inside, but the core is a platinum, paladium, or rhodium sponge. This is what makes them so freakin' valuable. It's shell is mild steel like the rest of the exhaust system.

Some restoration guys like to use stainless steel exhaust. This is made of an alloy of iron, chromium, and nickle (typically type 304 is used). It makes a good shine and is very resistant to corrosion. It is hard to machine, however. You need to special techniques to drill it or form it.

Some upper end models and a fair amount of aircraft use Iconel, a proprietary alloy of chromium and nickle (no iron). It's easier to work than stainless and has excellent corrosion resistance. It is expensive, however.

O2 sensors use a zirconium bulb and platinum electrodes around it. The sensor is built with a vent so that one side is slightly cooler than the other. This arrangement produces a voltage corresponding to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust system. It not a critical sensor. It is only used as a fuel trim control and is out of circuit when the engine is cold. Most cars have two of these. The 2nd one tests the catalytic converter itself (to see if it's blown out). With a properly working cat converter, the 1st sensor will show a pulse with each exhaust valve opening. The 2nd sensor will be pretty flat average. If the cat blows out, the 2nd sensor will start pulsing like the 1st. The computer will sense this and throw a code.

No cobalt anywhere.


You mentioned you were a chemist. Any area of specialty? Most chemists have one. Mine is in pyrotechnics, although I am familiar with most industrial processes. My business makes sensors for industry, aerospace, medical, and entertainment markets.
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I studied pure chemistry at uni, although I left that world behind long ago and went in IT, I'm retired now though.
 
Into the Night said:
He likes to make up a lot of shit. He pretends to be a mechanic and a chemist. He doesn't know the first thing about either. No part of a vehicle's exhaust system has cobalt in it.

Most cars use a stock exhaust system made of mild steel (you can stick a magnet to it). The catalytic converter may be ceramic coated inside, but the core is a platinum, paladium, or rhodium sponge. This is what makes them so freakin' valuable. It's shell is mild steel like the rest of the exhaust system.

Some restoration guys like to use stainless steel exhaust. This is made of an alloy of iron, chromium, and nickle (typically type 304 is used). It makes a good shine and is very resistant to corrosion. It is hard to machine, however. You need to special techniques to drill it or form it.

Some upper end models and a fair amount of aircraft use Iconel, a proprietary alloy of chromium and nickle (no iron). It's easier to work than stainless and has excellent corrosion resistance. It is expensive, however.

O2 sensors use a zirconium bulb and platinum electrodes around it. The sensor is built with a vent so that one side is slightly cooler than the other. This arrangement produces a voltage corresponding to the amount of oxygen in the exhaust system. It not a critical sensor. It is only used as a fuel trim control and is out of circuit when the engine is cold. Most cars have two of these. The 2nd one tests the catalytic converter itself (to see if it's blown out). With a properly working cat converter, the 1st sensor will show a pulse with each exhaust valve opening. The 2nd sensor will be pretty flat average. If the cat blows out, the 2nd sensor will start pulsing like the 1st. The computer will sense this and throw a code.

No cobalt anywhere.


You mentioned you were a chemist. Any area of specialty? Most chemists have one. Mine is in pyrotechnics, although I am familiar with most industrial processes. My business makes sensors for industry, aerospace, medical, and entertainment markets.
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Most new cars come with stainless steel exhaust. That said, there is no cobalt in an automobile, nor in the engine.
 
RB 60 said:
Most new cars come with stainless steel exhaust. That said, there is no cobalt in an automobile, nor in the engine.
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Correcting you is becoming a full time job. https://www.machinedesign.com/news/article/21815412/your-next-catalytic-converter-cobalt and https://www.iea.org/data-and-statis...n-electric-cars-compared-to-conventional-cars Can you do math? We have millions and zillions of ICEs using cobalt. Each vehicle uses less than EV batteries, but since there are so many more, they are the largest user of cobalt.
 
OK, I'm convinced that we should all go back to monster V8s burning high octane leaded fuel. I do love them, I'll admit.
Put the good propellent back into deodorant cans while we're at it.
Live a life with sufficient comfort and convenience to make life almost worth living.
I'm in with all of that, but it's getting harder and harder.

Just don't being any more new souls onto this filthy planet,
and have state funded euthanasia when we all have lung cancer from the air and melanoma from the depleted ozone layer.
It may be hard to do once we reach Waterworld, though.
 
cancel2 2022 said:
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Runeatic is always extolling the virtues of electric vehicles but you can guarantee his silence on this issue, and indeed the usual SJWs. Why is there such silence from the Left on this, is it because they can't blame Trump?



https://www.thegwpf.com/green-killers-congo-miners-dying-electric-cars/
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This is about the best example of conflating issues, and putting a political spin on everything in the world, I have seen in a while!

Why would any of us be surprised?

NEXT!
 
serendipity said:
I studied pure chemistry at uni, although I left that world behind long ago and went in IT, I'm retired now though.
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Odd that you used your chemistry degree to work in IT.

It's one thing to get a chemistry degree, it's quite another to practice it. That's true of any college degree.
 
RB 60 said:
Most new cars come with stainless steel exhaust. That said, there is no cobalt in an automobile, nor in the engine.
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I have not seen stainless steel exhaust systems used on many cars as stock systems. Mostly I see mild steel systems. Any brand or model you're thinking of?

Cobalt can be found in limited places in a car today, particularly in modern entertainment systems. It is found in the magnets for the speakers.
Otherwise, yes...you are correct. There is no cobalt in an automobile nor it's engine.
 
Nordberg said:
Correcting you is becoming a full time job. https://www.machinedesign.com/news/article/21815412/your-next-catalytic-converter-cobalt and https://www.iea.org/data-and-statis...n-electric-cars-compared-to-conventional-cars Can you do math? We have millions and zillions of ICEs using cobalt. Each vehicle uses less than EV batteries, but since there are so many more, they are the largest user of cobalt.
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There is no cobalt in a catalytic converter. There is no cobalt anywhere in an internal combustion engine. You will find iron, aluminum, nickle, chromium, plastic (polymerized carbon compounds), lead, sulfur, water, glycerine, etc. But no cobalt.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
OK, I'm convinced that we should all go back to monster V8s burning high octane leaded fuel. I do love them, I'll admit.
Put the good propellent back into deodorant cans while we're at it.
Live a life with sufficient comfort and convenience to make life almost worth living.
I'm in with all of that, but it's getting harder and harder.

Just don't being any more new souls onto this filthy planet,
and have state funded euthanasia when we all have lung cancer from the air and melanoma from the depleted ozone layer.
It may be hard to do once we reach Waterworld, though.
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You've been watching the movies too much.

The ozone layer is not being depleted. Man couldn't destroy it even if we wanted to. The Church of the Ozone Hole ignores the Chapman cycle (how ozone is created and destroyed in the atmosphere).
If you think Earth is overpopulated and you want euthanasia to 'solve' it, you go first.
 
Into the Night said:
There is no cobalt in a catalytic converter. There is no cobalt anywhere in an internal combustion engine. You will find iron, aluminum, nickle, chromium, plastic (polymerized carbon compounds), lead, sulfur, water, glycerine, etc. But no cobalt.
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So you cannot understand graphs showing that cobalt is used in ICEs? They are less per vehicle, but since they are so many more, they are why we have mining of cobalt. We were mining cobalt before EVs were invented. Now it is all Evs and no other uses. You guys are not familiar with honesty.
 
Nordberg said:
So you cannot understand graphs showing that cobalt is used in ICEs? They are less per vehicle, but since they are so many more, they are why we have mining of cobalt. We were mining cobalt before EVs were invented. Now it is all Evs and no other uses. You guys are not familiar with honesty.
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The LAST thing that should come out of a leftists mouth is the word "honesty".
 
Cobalt is used in airbags
Catalysts for petroleum and chemical industries
cemented carbides
diamond tools
corrosion and wear-resistant enamels
high-speed steels
varnishes
inks
magnets
recording media
steel belted radial tires
According to cobalt companies.
We have been mining cobalt for a long time, long before EVs came along. Now there is pressure for cobalt mining to be cleaner and safer for workers. There was none before.
 
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